Aquilotti1

Straight to the point. I have two CJOs from PSA and EDV. I live in Philadelphia so PSA would be ideal but I’m also willing to move to NYC if I choose EDV, commuting is not an option. In regards to factors such as quality of training, companies culture, long term career potential, shortest amount of time to spend on reserve and anything else you would like to add. Where to go? Thanks.

TransWorld

Do you have a strong preference to be hired by AA or Delta? Counterintuitive, but if you go to some regional other than their WO, you get hired quicker by their parent company. They are trying not to hire CA from their regionals. All the regionals seem to be running short of CA.

Zerosilver84

Exactly what was said above. If you want to work for AA or UA then come to Edv. If you want DAL or UA then go PSA.

three1five

The advice above is accurate in the present hiring environment but there’s no guarantee that advice will still be accurate in 2 years. There are plenty of pilots at AA (and now DL) who got there because of the flow, and may not have otherwise. It’s difficult to tell what the future will hold.

Regarding the training environment, Endeavor will do its best to help you through if you struggle. Their training department is, in my opinion, excellent. There are a few people who haven’t made it through Endeavor’s training, but they are the exception, not the rule. I don’t have first hand experience with PSA but have had a few acquaintances not make it thru training there and my impression has been that PSA’s training is less “forgiving,” shall we say.

I enjoyed the culture at EDV but you need to be prepared for NYC issues to consistently jack with your schedule. Don’t get excited about the overnight with the nice free breakfast because you’re one LGA hiccup away from getting reassigned to CLE and enjoying, well, there’s not much to enjoy at the hotels Endeavor uses there. As one example.

If you’re going to do Endeavor, living in NYC is the way to do it. Plenty of opportunity to make easy money during irops—or at least there was when I was there.

Good luck!

TransWorld

For the rest of this decade, retirement numbers at the majors will be at numbers like they have never seen before. Shortages of CA will continue. Some regional will close their doors. Some will merge. There will be reduced regional flying. Most 50 seat will be retired. 76 seat will replace them. Some 76 seat will be replaced by mainline metal. Hard to guarantee anything, ever that the sun will come up in the east. But, with this backdrop, I think it is safe to say mainlines will be very guarded about hiring from their WO. Flows, and that is pretty much it. That is what my crystal ball says.

DC2Airmail

I am looking at both also. Check out the PSA thread.
I have been told to stay away from PSA, due to some of the maniacs in the training department.
I think most are good, but there a few landmine instructors that can blow up your training record.
EDV, on the other hand has received great posts about training.

Judge3955

How can you comment about PSA when you don't even work there?

Aquilotti1

I just read the same thing, scary stuff. So far since the interview process it’s been night and day between the two companies. EDV organization and communication has been impeccable in comparison to PSA. And yea I also heard great things about the training department at EDV and horror stories at PSA. My only issue right now is my late class date for EDV which is in July and PSA is in March ( I finish up with my hours in the next two weeks) even if I believe PSA will delay my training date even if I haven’t heard from them in months but that doesn’t surprise me one bit. The other issue is the base. I live in philly so PSA would be ideal but honestly I’m willing to move to NYC or maybe even better to Cincinnati. I heard good things about Cincy. Anyways let me know what you end up doing.

BatFastard14

Hey man our new CLE hotel is great. Downtown with a lot of good stuff around!

Pirate348

If you believe everything you read on the internet, then take the advice of some of the nimrods on this site. Otherwise, coming from someone with experience going through military flight training and a couple regionals, I can say that the training at PSA in Charlotte is some of the best I have ever seen, including the man all you wimps are afraid of. We had 4 people in our class from Endeavor as well. I'm sure Endeavor is awesome to some, as is PSA. Go for quality of life first, not who you might or might not get in training for the first 2 months of a 30-40 year career. If you are worried about that, then maybe you shouldn't fly.