Endeavor hiring
#31
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25 years ?? I mean I was hired in early 90’s and upgraded to Captain by 95’ and got calls for Major interviews by late 90’s. That was about 6 years time span from getting on at a regional to first Major interviews . Unfortunately didn’t get hired . That was back when we had all Turbo props . Most pilots I knew back in the day spent 3 to 5 years at a regional before getting called for Major interviews. I guy I knew back in the late 80’s let me use his resume as a guide to setting up my resume ( back before internet , LOL) and he spent about 5 years at Henson ( old Piedmont Regional ) before getting on at Northwest . I know there were different decades( mid 2000’s) in which folks had to spend up to 10 years before getting on at a Major. I understand your point that it’s much quicker today but it’s the idea that pilots are flying Delta Metal and if 9E pilots are getting hosed in seniority by thousands of numbers at the mother ship by outsiders ( other airline pilots hired OTS and propel) and Delta doesn’t care , then I don’t blame those pilots for leaving for other carriers from 9E . Why stay where one isn’t wanted or valued.
#32
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Position: everywhere but nowhere
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Here’s one example. In 2022, DL capped the number of pilots they would hire from 9E. Dozens of 9E CAs who held off the street DL CJOs were held back at 9E for many months as DL filled the quota of pilots moving from 9E to DL each month with Propel program pilots, some of them FOs who had not upgraded. This caused the bypassed CJO holders to lose several months of seniority, and at 250 pilots a month these pilots were losing hundreds— I believe several lost 1000+ —seniority numbers, while pilots in the propel program were moved on ahead of them without having to upgrade. (This did not affect flow pilots—just OTS CJO holders.)
All the propel pilots I have met are good people and good pilots, but they are treated differently and receive special advantage from DL. This creates unusual stratifications within an ALPA pilot group.
All the propel pilots I have met are good people and good pilots, but they are treated differently and receive special advantage from DL. This creates unusual stratifications within an ALPA pilot group.
#33
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From your example, I can see how that can be perceived as special treatment but the truth is the Propel program worked for those pilots as advertised. They successfully earned their place at Delta through the opportunity they were given. I don't have to espouse how important timing is in this industry and, frankly, they hit the jackpot. But that does not mean they were given special treatment.
#34
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From your example, I can see how that can be perceived as special treatment but the truth is the Propel program worked for those pilots as advertised. They successfully earned their place at Delta through the opportunity they were given. I don't have to espouse how important timing is in this industry and, frankly, they hit the jackpot. But that does not mean they were given special treatment.
Again, it doesn’t make the propel program members bad people or pilots, but Delta designed a program which gives a small subset of pilots advantages that the majority of others don’t have. Special treatment.
When considering advantage given to one group but not another, it is interesting to consider current programs like this in the context of big corporations constantly letting us know how “inclusive” they are.
#35
25 years ?? I mean I was hired in early 90’s and upgraded to Captain by 95’ and got calls for Major interviews by late 90’s. That was about 6 years time span from getting on at a regional to first Major interviews . Unfortunately didn’t get hired . That was back when we had all Turbo props . Most pilots I knew back in the day spent 3 to 5 years at a regional before getting called for Major interviews. I guy I knew back in the late 80’s let me use his resume as a guide to setting up my resume ( back before internet , LOL) and he spent about 5 years at Henson ( old Piedmont Regional ) before getting on at Northwest . I know there were different decades( mid 2000’s) in which folks had to spend up to 10 years before getting on at a Major. I understand your point that it’s much quicker today but it’s the idea that pilots are flying Delta Metal and if 9E pilots are getting hosed in seniority by thousands of numbers at the mother ship by outsiders ( other airline pilots hired OTS and propel) and Delta doesn’t care , then I don’t blame those pilots for leaving for other carriers from 9E . Why stay where one isn’t wanted or valued.
Folks right after you had to wait 25 years. I know them.
#36
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Current Capt willing to take New guy ?s
Hello,
I am considering Endeavor Air as my next home. I am looking for a Current Capt or two that might like to talk to me about the current workplace and culture. I’ve worked Regionals before and I currently work at a 135. I’m looking at going to back to 121.
Please PM me, if you have an interest in helping a new guy.
I won’t take up much time, but have a few questions I’d like to ask to a Pilot working there at this moment.
Thank You
I am considering Endeavor Air as my next home. I am looking for a Current Capt or two that might like to talk to me about the current workplace and culture. I’ve worked Regionals before and I currently work at a 135. I’m looking at going to back to 121.
Please PM me, if you have an interest in helping a new guy.
I won’t take up much time, but have a few questions I’d like to ask to a Pilot working there at this moment.
Thank You
#37
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Posts: 766
Hello,
I am considering Endeavor Air as my next home. I am looking for a Current Capt or two that might like to talk to me about the current workplace and culture. I’ve worked Regionals before and I currently work at a 135. I’m looking at going to back to 121.
Please PM me, if you have an interest in helping a new guy.
I won’t take up much time, but have a few questions I’d like to ask to a Pilot working there at this moment.
Thank You
I am considering Endeavor Air as my next home. I am looking for a Current Capt or two that might like to talk to me about the current workplace and culture. I’ve worked Regionals before and I currently work at a 135. I’m looking at going to back to 121.
Please PM me, if you have an interest in helping a new guy.
I won’t take up much time, but have a few questions I’d like to ask to a Pilot working there at this moment.
Thank You
#38
Hello,
I am considering Endeavor Air as my next home. I am looking for a Current Capt or two that might like to talk to me about the current workplace and culture. I’ve worked Regionals before and I currently work at a 135. I’m looking at going to back to 121.
Please PM me, if you have an interest in helping a new guy.
I won’t take up much time, but have a few questions I’d like to ask to a Pilot working there at this moment.
Thank You
I am considering Endeavor Air as my next home. I am looking for a Current Capt or two that might like to talk to me about the current workplace and culture. I’ve worked Regionals before and I currently work at a 135. I’m looking at going to back to 121.
Please PM me, if you have an interest in helping a new guy.
I won’t take up much time, but have a few questions I’d like to ask to a Pilot working there at this moment.
Thank You
if you qualify for DEC, you are more than qualified for a ULCC
#39
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Joined APC: Apr 2020
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Friend”s younger sister has been getting into flying and asked me about steps after CFI to get to airlines. Told her I think by the time she’s ready she will likely be able to go straight to an Airbus/Boeing at an LCC.
#40
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I put Endeavor on my "target" list a month ago on Airline-Apps, but I have received no response. Any clue? I thought they'd respond, they responded last time I targeted them in 2020.
Last edited by turbinepilot2; 07-12-2023 at 01:09 PM.