What are you smoking man? "Song" was flown by pilots on the Delta seniority list under the Delta PWA. They may have flown into TPA on a Delta branded 757 and flown out on a Song branded 757. They were completely interchangeable. As for the non-union FAs or other agents, that's irrelevant. Apples to oranges. Endeavor pilots are not under the Delta PWA, and are owned by the same parent company that owns Delta Air Lines. They are not Delta pilots. You can say it's so and wish it so all you want, but it just ain't true.

It's so funny to read all this stuff again. These are the same arguments many of my Comair brothers used in the early 2000s. Look how that turned out. I keep telling you that you're repeating history. If you want to be a Delta pilot, fill out an application. Stop with the seniority grab hopes. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

If you follow both a Delta pilot and an Endeavor pilots org chart to the final person, they both end at Ed Bastian. Is that true or not? Simple yes or no answer.

It’s worth remembering that literally every lifer at EDV has had a shot at a zero-work besides fill the app out flow to Delta within the last two years. Absolutely nobody can claim they got “stuck” at this point. Anybody pre merge could have a thousand or more numbers below them at DL by now. First flow classes that’s probably approaching 4k. I think quite a few are narrowbody capts in DTW and not just on a T-tail. Good for them, I’m sure they are thrilled with the flow. The “we need a staple now!” contingent just seems like guys who couldn’t stomach starting at the bottom and now want their second bite as it worked well for their buddies.

No that's not true. Endeavors ends at Jim Graham. Jim Graham's might end at Ed but ours doesn't.

Yeah, because no corporation has ever invested money then went bankrupt, shut down, or otherwise.

Why don't you email Ed and ask him if you're a Delta employee. Better yet, email Jim Graham. He seems like a pretty easy guy to deal with. :rolleyes: Why would EDV need its own CEO if you were?

So,

No

I’m smoking too many pall malls , LOL. I never said Endeavor pilots were under Delta pilots PWA, though . I said we have separate contracts but the same people that own you own us. Endeavor is a name under the shell game . Comair is not even close to the same situation as Endeavor. They are worlds apart. I’ve got 30 years in so I’m not applying to Delta , LOL , and wasn’t interested in the flow at this point. Plus , it’s not an argument .you can spin it any way you want to make yourself feel more important but the Same people that pay you are the ones that pay us. Delta owns and runs everything except Skywest and Republic. I’m not advocating for one thing or another . The circumstances will play out and it will be interesting . The “regional” model is dead .

Sorry to burst your bubble, not how it works.

Now why exactly would I email Ed or Jim asking if I am a Delta employee?

That's actually exactly how it works. Endeavor is a company owned by Delta and run by a Delta employee. The Endeavor corporate ladder does not extend above JG.

Are LATAM pilots Delta employees? How about Virgin Atlantic pilots? Those pilots work for Delta subsidiaries, too.

Under your logic, a Virgin Atlantic pilot would be at least partially a Delta pilot. The whole point of Delta owning part of Virgin Atlantic is that a Virgin Atlantic pilot is 100% not a Delta pilot. That same logic applies to Endeavor and its pilots.