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03-18-2023, 11:26 AM
#12
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With 20 CA flowing monthly, constant OAL CA and FO attrition that forced upgrades won't help, the first wave of propel guys hitting now (last upgrade class alone had 7 with classes in next few months), how will the company operate? Also, out of about 90 LCA's. over half are supposed to be leaving in next few months. After trying everything, it is clear only Sen # to EDV CA's will fix the problem. Swiftly I may add.
03-18-2023, 12:05 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by D0zingfordollar
With 20 CA flowing monthly, constant OAL CA and FO attrition that forced upgrades won't help, the first wave of propel guys hitting now (last upgrade class alone had 7 with classes in next few months), how will the company operate? Also, out of about 90 LCA's. over half are supposed to be leaving in next few months. After trying everything, it is clear only Sen # to EDV CA's will fix the problem. Swiftly I may add.
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Damn sure not swiftly.
03-18-2023, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
well if we go by Delta’s history I don’t think we will see the steam engine 717 or RJ900 go away anytime soon. Delta flew the 200 until it was beaten like a rented mule and if we weren’t short Captains and the retention and 60 percent pay increases actually worked , they would still be flying the 200, LOL… Delta flew the Diesel Griesel 9 so long that the Feds finally forbade them from flying them up and down the east coast unless they did a complete upgrade on all the avionics to fly in that airspace and Delta finally decided to send them to the Arizona resting place🤣 . Skywest and all the other Regionals can’t even staff and handle the flying they got . There is no place to sell or offload Endeavor . If they can’t solve the Captain shortfall at 9E they got 4 choices : more money ( unlikely unless you’re talking 200,000 dollar additional bonuses or higher before it would begin to get people to stay and upgrade) , seniority/Longevity numbers for all Captains at 9E ( unlikely unless they swallow their pride and finally admit we are doing the same thing and are the same as mainline ) , fold all 9E onto the mainline certificate along with all employees and figure out the merge and run it separately for a few years and bring the fence down then ( most likely to happen in my personal opinion) or bring all 9E assets to mainline certificate minus all the employees (unlikely as that would be astronomical training costs ) . But who knows . From everything we have seen in this crazy business I could be wrong on all counts . Let’s just pray that all the banks don’t start failing or we might all be in the cheese line 💀. Lord spare us 🙏🏼
Or maybe the hope is that we do have a 2008 repeat (a lot more likely than the MSM is trying to convince you), and they'll be reset back to having the upper hand in labor negotiations again for a couple years, so they can smooth everything out.
03-18-2023, 02:00 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Which would require a CBA revision at Delta. How long do negotiations in Delta CBA revisions usually take?
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Damn sure not swiftly.
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Damn sure not swiftly.
03-18-2023, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
and why in the world would DALPA want to do something to help prop out outsourced feed?
03-19-2023, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by D0zingfordollar
DALPA & EDVALPA already came out with agreement stating they mutually support bringing the pilots and aircraft on to Delta. Also EDV a wholly owned, not outsourced
03-19-2023, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by D0zingfordollar
DALPA & EDVALPA already came out with agreement stating they mutually support bringing the pilots and aircraft on to Delta. Also EDV a wholly owned, not outsourced
Only SLI form Delta pilots will support is bottom of the list. Not much of a negotiation to be had there.
