Endeavor Vs Netjets
06-05-2023, 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Mooncake
I have a class date coming up with endeavor soon and I also have a job offer from netjets. I’ve been looking forward to endeavor for over half a year but the novelty is dying down because of how long I’ve been waiting
I have a few colleagues who went to endeavor and have barely flown and are on reserve in NYC being miserable.
I’d like really appreciate an honest take from within the company. What would you guys do if you were in my position? Would you take the netjets job over endeavor knowing what it’s like from within?
Also, Delta is the end goal.
I have a few colleagues who went to endeavor and have barely flown and are on reserve in NYC being miserable.
I’d like really appreciate an honest take from within the company. What would you guys do if you were in my position? Would you take the netjets job over endeavor knowing what it’s like from within?
Also, Delta is the end goal.
06-05-2023, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by overqualified52
Sadly if you want to go to Delta sooner you are better off going to Net Jets or somewhere else first. Flow would take you 5 years and as FO you will not be flying much. Pathetically 9E gets no advanced seniority, no profit sharing , no Direct 401K contributions and the flying is about half the places that it was just 5 years ago. They just don’t seem to care if people leave as attrition is still 50 to 60 a month. Plus they are forcing upgrades .
06-05-2023, 01:51 PM
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Personally, I think flying CR9s in and out of a busy airspace like NYC would be great training for any major carrier. Each regional seems to have its pros and cons.
Regarding Netjets, I know several people who have left Netjets lately for the majors (a few picked up by SWA recently). Depending on the fleet, exhaustion and 10-hour layovers are the norm. Some fleets are busier than others - if you get the Latitude or CL350 you can expect to be busy and tired. That said, you do get some good variety of flying. The stories I heard about flying into uncontrolled airports with yahoo local pilots was enlightening too. Again, there are always tradeoffs. Only one of my Netjets friends intends to stay there.
Regarding Netjets, I know several people who have left Netjets lately for the majors (a few picked up by SWA recently). Depending on the fleet, exhaustion and 10-hour layovers are the norm. Some fleets are busier than others - if you get the Latitude or CL350 you can expect to be busy and tired. That said, you do get some good variety of flying. The stories I heard about flying into uncontrolled airports with yahoo local pilots was enlightening too. Again, there are always tradeoffs. Only one of my Netjets friends intends to stay there.
06-12-2023, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by preflight
Does netjets hire pilots over age 65?
So if you want to option to fly past 70 look elsewhere.
06-13-2023, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Hawk1G
In my opinion, NetJets is a better place to be in the event the music stops and the hiring frenzy ends. Delta will have no problem hiring you from NetJets if that’s your desired destination.
This is how I feel too! I have a good belief on the music stopping on 2024 with the political climate. I presume the first people to get furloughed would be the ones on reserve. Correct?
06-13-2023, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
I flew for USAirways 1989-2003, furlough, flow down to Mesa 2003-2005, then NetJets 2005 until 2017 when I lost my medical.
I liked Netjets enough that I declined recall to USAirways in 2007. I commuted from CLT for 13 of my 15 years of airline flying. I hated commuting. The 2 or so years I was CLT based living 20 minutes from the airport was very nice though.
If you going to live in a Endeavor base it might not be a bad deal. A neighbor of mine was PSA and got hired at Delta when he was approaching 1000 hours of SIC time. He was a CFI prior to getting 1500 hours and going to PSA.
NetJets: No commuting, and to me that was huge. Living in CLT I made Gold status on USAirways/American fairly quickly. The wife and I did a Hawaii vacation using nothing but airline miles and hotel points. I just made Hilton Lifetime Diamond Status before losing my medical.
-You will work harder at NetJets. Longer days on average, shorter overnights. Rarely more than 12 hours off, if you do get that you'll be on hotel standby on a 30 minute leash. Fly for NetJets, see the world thru your hotel room window.
-Excellent medical insurance, family coverage at no cost to you. Flat rate copay's ranging from $20 to $150.
-wide variety of flying, you'll see some very challenging airports. Schedule usually is in a constant state of flux. I never checked a bag on an airline if I had to connect somewhere because there was a significant chance my schedule would change enroute to the connecting airport.
-Seniority isn't as important at NetJets as with an airline. You bid schedule start days on the 7&7. Mid-week is senior, Sat-Sun starts are junior. Aircraft bids and vacation bids are by seniority. Most schedules are available to new hires, except for the CC52 which goes senior on most jets because it's the schedule that works the least number of days. The 7&7 is the default, everyone can get it.
-Pay. That's a problem right now with the Regional pay having gone up so much. Still, 1st year with the "soft" money you'll easily break $100K, some have hustled and made $150K. And don't forget the free medical insurance. I think NJA will have to bump up the pay, they are losing 15yr pilots to the airlines. Part of that is how hard they're working.
-Flight time. There is no reserve at NJA so you'll fly. Fleet type will determine how much. The older Excels break a lot. I suspect you'll fly a lot more hours than at Endeavor unless you can quickly get off reserve.
-Airlines. The airlines know about NJA pilots, they know we get excellent training and more challenging flying. Some of our senior pilots have bailed to SWA and will be career F/O's but they're OK with that.
-Upgrades. I've read they're getting down to less than 2 years so you could get some PIC turbine time before leaving for an airline.
Basically the big difference is seniority. When you're senior at an airline your lifestyle will be much better than NetJets. But when you're junior, and especially if you commute, not so much.
I liked Netjets enough that I declined recall to USAirways in 2007. I commuted from CLT for 13 of my 15 years of airline flying. I hated commuting. The 2 or so years I was CLT based living 20 minutes from the airport was very nice though.
If you going to live in a Endeavor base it might not be a bad deal. A neighbor of mine was PSA and got hired at Delta when he was approaching 1000 hours of SIC time. He was a CFI prior to getting 1500 hours and going to PSA.
NetJets: No commuting, and to me that was huge. Living in CLT I made Gold status on USAirways/American fairly quickly. The wife and I did a Hawaii vacation using nothing but airline miles and hotel points. I just made Hilton Lifetime Diamond Status before losing my medical.
-You will work harder at NetJets. Longer days on average, shorter overnights. Rarely more than 12 hours off, if you do get that you'll be on hotel standby on a 30 minute leash. Fly for NetJets, see the world thru your hotel room window.
-Excellent medical insurance, family coverage at no cost to you. Flat rate copay's ranging from $20 to $150.
-wide variety of flying, you'll see some very challenging airports. Schedule usually is in a constant state of flux. I never checked a bag on an airline if I had to connect somewhere because there was a significant chance my schedule would change enroute to the connecting airport.
-Seniority isn't as important at NetJets as with an airline. You bid schedule start days on the 7&7. Mid-week is senior, Sat-Sun starts are junior. Aircraft bids and vacation bids are by seniority. Most schedules are available to new hires, except for the CC52 which goes senior on most jets because it's the schedule that works the least number of days. The 7&7 is the default, everyone can get it.
-Pay. That's a problem right now with the Regional pay having gone up so much. Still, 1st year with the "soft" money you'll easily break $100K, some have hustled and made $150K. And don't forget the free medical insurance. I think NJA will have to bump up the pay, they are losing 15yr pilots to the airlines. Part of that is how hard they're working.
-Flight time. There is no reserve at NJA so you'll fly. Fleet type will determine how much. The older Excels break a lot. I suspect you'll fly a lot more hours than at Endeavor unless you can quickly get off reserve.
-Airlines. The airlines know about NJA pilots, they know we get excellent training and more challenging flying. Some of our senior pilots have bailed to SWA and will be career F/O's but they're OK with that.
-Upgrades. I've read they're getting down to less than 2 years so you could get some PIC turbine time before leaving for an airline.
Basically the big difference is seniority. When you're senior at an airline your lifestyle will be much better than NetJets. But when you're junior, and especially if you commute, not so much.
06-13-2023, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mooncake
Thank you! This was quite insightful. I overall sensed that pay is the issue as far how much you need to work to be guaranteed money. With a Regional you can realistically expect to make a base pay of 150k since you upgrade to captain in under 2 years
In this industry, anything can happen in 2 years. Rather than getting caught up comparing first year compensation, I would be asking myself which company do I want to be at for the next 10 years or more??? It’s important to consider that such an outcome is a totally within the realm of possibility.
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