2024: No Summer Flows?
 

Bad news for the flow, my LCP friend is saying that after hiring 200 a month in Q1, Delta is planning on stopping hiring later in the summer so instructors can fly the line. Then in the fall they start up again at 200 a month in order to end the year at 1100 pilots hired. Means nobody will flow for about half of 2024…



Hope you guys have your apps out, I know I do. Thanks for all you do!

UA/AA still planning on 2500 pilots coming on board for 2024. No end in sight for the time being. Classes planned every Tuesday until November 2024 as far as I can see.

The water is fine. UA loves 9E pilots. No for real, they've been great on the training department from what I was told.

They been saying same thing last 3 years and something always changes or they are wrong . A lot can happen in 6 months .

When I was an LCP...(retired in 2020) I always chuckled when anyone said..." I talked to an LCP, and they said...."
LCP who act like they know company plans are either delusional or just want to sound important.

Honestly this wouldn't surprise me. We do it at AA. There's a reason we don't have new hire classes in busy months (dec/June) yes it helps the training center get caught up but it also keeps WO CA at their regional flying as no one flows.

“It’s not if, it’s when”
-Senior APD on the Embraer, early 2016.

he *was* right, but nearly a decade later.

Anyone who’s been in the airlines for more than five minutes knows LCPs are about the least credible sources when it comes to rumors.

They would be, were it not for Chief Pilots.

And base managers!

everyone knows the best source for accurate rumors is the training department. YX contract should be cancelled any day now and 9e will be 100% 175 with west coast bases.

“We’re getting 175’s. Delta’s going to announce a 190 order next week along with a flow.”

An LCP told me that a week before Delta announced their first CS100 order.

Delta literally had already ordered e190s... Airbus took care of those as part of the 220 order. The training department had already begun prepping for 190s.

The only 190s associated with Delta were some beat-up airframes attached to a contract TA back in 2016 that Delta pilots voted down. They were not "ordered."

Outsourced E190s are not and have never been compliant with Delta pilots' scope.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/459...20Aerospace%20(BBA%2C

https://www.ch-aviation.com/news/459...20Aerospace%20(BBA%2C

"ordered" or not, the process had begun.

I began the process to order a Porsche GT3rs, but I did not actually order it.

Anyway, those e190s were not "orders." They were used. Beaten like rented mules. Not ordred off the line. They were the free undercoating thrown in to sweeten the pot for a 737 order and to be flown at the mainline...until DALPA slapped Delta into reality.

Why would dalpa say" no don't order more planes". Scope is for regional operators, not mainline orders.

Delta expected ALPA to negotiate for higher rates on the E190s. ALPA had higher priorites, and basically said, good luck trying to hire onto an E190 with below-market rates.

It was an odd situation where the company basically would have had to use its own negotiating captial to obtain a higher 190 rate. They decided it wasn't worthwhile, and instead focused on/plussed up the order for what become A220s

Interesting stuff. I know every non-line pilot claims to know whats going on, but I did have school house guys tell me that they had actually begun building the 190 course stuff. Thats why id thought they were in the process of ordering them for whatever reason.

Back to original statement of no flows this summer. I just heard a rumor DL is stopping classes. Purely a rumor, but it would definitely stop the flow for a few months if so.

I’m at the school house right now (Delta)… It wasn’t mentioned. Doesn’t mean it’s not true, but things still seem to be flowing. Anecdotally, my buddy starts in a month and hasn’t been notified of a stoppage.

Good news! I’m hoping it’s just a rumor. I’m no longer 9E, but still glad to hear.

I mean don't forget in march 2020, people were told on Saturday afternoon not to show up on Tuesday for new hire Indoc.

Sure that was a global emergency. But Alot of decisions happen fast and often last second

Do you conjecture that will happen here, or are you chicken little? The sky is falling.

As stated in my post, I have no know idea what they’re planning on doing. All that was stated was that as of that snapshot in time (and what someone attending class in April has reported), things are still progressing. But yeah, I’m familiar with how things can and have gone in this industry.

Welcome! No idea how far in you are... But if you haven't yet started your 200s,just prepare for the upcoming day, no need to study ahead, and youll be golden. Read only what they tell you to read, nothing more. Utilize the classrooms in the evening to prepare for the 241. And attitude is everything.

They still put them on the seniority list.

Question for the thread, what is the status of the retention bonus program for new hires? is that still active? I know the website says 54 months for a flow but how realistic is that figure for a potential new hire?

thanks

My friend who was a late 2016 hire just finished OE at Delta a few weeks ago. He flowed.

You're looking at 6-8 years realistically.

Thats not even remotely what happened.

If you start today. It would take 5 years to flow to delta. 60 months. So the website isn’t to far off.

Retention bonus is still active. There is no new hire bonus anymore.

Does the hiring of DECs have a big negative impact on the flow? I am assuming that with all the DECs being hired it will take longer for an FO to get his command and therefore longer for the flow? Whats the current time to upgrade?

DEC’s are at the bottom of the list. No negative impact to flow.

Current time to upgrade is immediate, assuming you have the hours.