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Old 12-07-2013, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Flitestar View Post
Good gawd. Some of you just don't see it, damn!

Guys, majors hiring in the next few years IS NOT the saving grace for 9E pilot group. It's simple math, if guys get picked up by a major and our fleet remains the same then yes, there is movement, but if at the same time you slash the fleet in half you got jack squat!! As of now 9E is scheduled to lose airframes, period.

Doesn't matter how you cut it, based on facts and facts alone, there is no way there can be any good movement for 9E as things stand now.

Now, if you wanna go ahead and guess or speculate about the future and the "carrots" that management and union dangle then have at it.
As things stand now? In the last 6 years there have been so many fleet plan changes both good and bad to even count. So yes, as things stand now Endeavor is not a good choice. Where would you go if you wanted to start an airline career. A good solid regional with low attrition, or a risky Delta experiment for a regional? In hind sight, I should have gone to Great Lakes or Compass 6 years ago, or Go Jet 2 years ago. So if you think the writing on the wall is there for Endeavor than I guess you would be ignoring the constant changes of this industry and how the cheapest regional airlines get contracts. Look how many Delta DCI contracts are up in 2015, and the contingencies placed on most current contracts, not to mention the 30 crj-900 options. My guess is Endeavor closes up in less than 7 years or grows to be around 3,000 pilots. Either way "as it currently stands" doesn't mean anything.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Flitestar View Post
Good gawd. Some of you just don't see it, damn!

Guys, majors hiring in the next few years IS NOT the saving grace for 9E pilot group. It's simple math, if guys get picked up by a major and our fleet remains the same then yes, there is movement, but if at the same time you slash the fleet in half you got jack squat!! As of now 9E is scheduled to lose airframes, period.

Doesn't matter how you cut it, based on facts and facts alone, there is no way there can be any good movement for 9E as things stand now.

Now, if you wanna go ahead and guess or speculate about the future and the "carrots" that management and union dangle then have at it.
Every regional will be losing airplanes in the future except possibly Compass. Years ago I thought I did the appropriate research and chose Mesaba. There was no way to predict what they were about to go through.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by madeinUSA View Post
As things stand now? In the last 6 years there have been so many fleet plan changes both good and bad to even count. So yes, as things stand now Endeavor is not a good choice. Where would you go if you wanted to start an airline career. A good solid regional with low attrition, or a risky Delta experiment for a regional? In hind sight, I should have gone to Great Lakes or Compass 6 years ago, or Go Jet 2 years ago. So if you think the writing on the wall is there for Endeavor than I guess you would be ignoring the constant changes of this industry and how the cheapest regional airlines get contracts. Look how many Delta DCI contracts are up in 2015, and the contingencies placed on most current contracts, not to mention the 30 crj-900 options. My guess is Endeavor closes up in less than 7 years or grows to be around 3,000 pilots. Either way "as it currently stands" doesn't mean anything.
That's as vague of a guess as some weather forecasts.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by gojo View Post
That's as vague of a guess as some weather forecasts.
I'm all ears if you have a more accurate one.
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Old 12-07-2013, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by madeinUSA View Post
As things stand now? In the last 6 years there have been so many fleet plan changes both good and bad to even count. So yes, as things stand now Endeavor is not a good choice. Where would you go if you wanted to start an airline career. A good solid regional with low attrition, or a risky Delta experiment for a regional? In hind sight, I should have gone to Great Lakes or Compass 6 years ago, or Go Jet 2 years ago. So if you think the writing on the wall is there for Endeavor than I guess you would be ignoring the constant changes of this industry and how the cheapest regional airlines get contracts. Look how many Delta DCI contracts are up in 2015, and the contingencies placed on most current contracts, not to mention the 30 crj-900 options. My guess is Endeavor closes up in less than 7 years or grows to be around 3,000 pilots. Either way "as it currently stands" doesn't mean anything.
Well, thats my point, its not about reading the writing on the wall, its about reading the writing on the paper, written by Delta's own pen and passed on the 9E management. Nobody is guessing anything, its official, and has been communicated to 9E's management. It doesnt get any more official than that. As far as changes down the road regarding the fleet change, well, guess away.

As far as other regionals losing planes too, Id agree. Id stay away from any regionals that have a ton of 50 seaters, just MHO.

"As it currently stands". Well, Im a fan of looking at all the facts before I make a decision... yes, nothing is ever written in stone in this industry, but some are much better indicators of things to come than others, an official fleet plan designed and passed on to 9E by mainline? Yeah, I'll give that good solid specific weight compared to other indicators.

"As it currently stands" provides a basis of current situation, and in this case it projects a possible negative outcome. Yes, other regional's contracts will come up in 2015, that could mean bad news, but as of now there is no definite plan or schedule for each of them, next thing you know, you're back at "guessing" again.

Writing has been on the wall for the last couple of years. Now its on paper, both in the shape of a fleet reduction plan and a concessionary POS contract that 85% of the pilot group was willing to take. Most of FOs (myself included) have raised the anchor and looked elsewhere for employment. Nothing here at 9E for the bottom 2/3 of the FO list, IMHO. Dont even mention the new hires...
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Originally Posted by madeinUSA View Post
If you just graduated college and are currently flight instructing, turbine time, 121 time, multi-crew, glass, and also the fact that poorly paying regional airlines have a huge turnover rate. In the last year I moved 400 numbers. Keep in mind that this was without Delta, American, and Southwest hiring. I could see another 400-500 leaving next year. So with all of those factors added plus a possible upgrade in 2 to 3 years it doesn't seem like an outrageous choice to me.
If you don't have a degree and lack motivation to move on to a major, then go for the best of the best regional out there and make an additional 5 dollars an hour.
I'm sure management isn't bothering to mention in the interviews that we have 9 year captains currently in DOWNGRADE class right now. How the hell do you think there is going to be a 2 year upgrade here shortly?
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Originally Posted by Gearswinger View Post
I wonder if 20 years from now you'll still be going on about 9e. At what point do you let it go?
After every single Colgan pilot moves on to Delta!

And not a second before.
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Originally Posted by bonesbrigade View Post
Did a flight attendant of the male variety spurn your advances while you were at 9E? You really seem to have an unhealthy vendetta. Remember that this airline you talk so much worthless garbage on is responsible for the livelihood of 4,000+ employees and their families.
I forgot that you fly an Airbus for a company with the worst financial performance in its segment of the industry. Did they include a taqiyah with your new Banana Republic designed uniform? Please wear that the next time your hang around elevators to 9E crew rooms, I'm sure you look like quite the fool wearing it.
Wow a gay and religious slur in one post. Only you could pull that off. FYI Delta likes diversity and your homophobic and religious slurs are probably something you might wanna rid yourself of before your Delta interview.
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Old 12-07-2013, 01:30 PM
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Wow a gay and religious slur in one post. Only you could pull that off. FYI Delta likes diversity and your homophobic and religious slurs are probably something you might wanna rid yourself of before your Delta interview.
There was no gay slur in there... after reading your posting history I just assumed you were a woman.
And you pulled out the minority card really quick there... seems you can bash and bash and bash people's livelihood but then get butthurt when you perceive a slight, a slight for which you are really digging deep to uncover.

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Old 12-07-2013, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bonesbrigade View Post
There was no gay slur in there... after reading your posting history I just assumed you were a woman.
And you pulled out the minority card really quick there... seems you can bash and bash and bash people's livelihood but then get butthurt when you perceive a slight, a slight for which you are really digging deep to uncover.
Not at all offended. But I don't think the same can be said for you. Lets be honest, what I wrote was true as Avroman pointed out. Surely others are thinking it. But instead of responding with facts or substance, you make a gay joke about being shot down by a flight attendant an then a religious slur. In other words, no substance and just personal attacks. Anytime someone here has to resort to insults/slurs/bad jokes it just goes to show they have no valid argument and are responding overly emotionally in a bad way. I never questioned the livelihood of 4000 employees. Most are trying to make the best of a bad situation. Anyone seriously considering 9E as newhire FO seriously needs to reevaluate what they are looking for in a regional. Compass is a far better option with guaranteed CAs flowing to Delta. Again, just from a factual standpoint. 9E has some CAs leaving to Delta, but the bottom of a 2100 pilot list with the current fleet end plan of 81 planes means there are better opportunities elsewhere. Dare I say, Mesa has RJs for AA coming online soon and will create lots of movement hiring/upgrading.
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