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Old 02-16-2017, 10:57 AM   #10911  
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Is pouring water in the cup holder a good laugh for some people? I just don't get it...
That wasn't water. It was vodka...Grey Goose to be specific.
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That wasn't water. It was vodka...Grey Goose to be specific.
Ah, making a Sully were you?
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:20 PM   #10913  
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Year one pay is 85/hr plus profit sharing. Year two over 120. Who cares what year pay you are? A 12 year captain at Endeavor makes the same as a first year MD-80 FO at DL. Id say it is pretty even transition.
You missed the whole point. What is the pay difference between year 10 and year 1 FO pay on the md 80 at big d?

Say delta takes all the regional flying in house tomorrow. You'd probably still fly the regional planes as long as you would have been employed at a regional, maybe 5-10 years if you're a civilian. But now when your number comes up to flying something bigger they pay you that 5-10 year rate for the bigger plane vs hiring you when they need you to fly the bigger plane at year one. Also , the longer they make us stay at the regionals , is that many less years of capped out pay. I say burn it down
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Old 02-16-2017, 01:39 PM   #10914  
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You missed the whole point. What is the pay difference between year 10 and year 1 FO pay on the md 80 at big d?

Say delta takes all the regional flying in house tomorrow. You'd probably still fly the regional planes as long as you would have been employed at a regional, maybe 5-10 years if you're a civilian. But now when your number comes up to flying something bigger they pay you that 5-10 year rate for the bigger plane vs hiring you when they need you to fly the bigger plane at year one. Also , the longer they make us stay at the regionals , is that many less years of capped out pay. I say burn it down
Is senior airline CA pay (any 121 carrier) supposed to be based upon how many dollars/passenger one is paid? I doubt it, but if you use that formula, a 900 CA earns the same dollars/pax as a 777 CA. Not saying it should be that way, just that it is when looking at 9E vs DL.

I didn't compare it against all aircraft, just the 900 vs the 777. Comes to about $1.51 per person per hour. Don't flame me, just pointing out a metric, nothing more. It doesn't make any sense on the low end....after all, who would fly four private passengers in a private small twin for just $6/hour?
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Old 02-16-2017, 02:29 PM   #10915  
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You missed the whole point. What is the pay difference between year 10 and year 1 FO pay on the md 80 at big d?

Say delta takes all the regional flying in house tomorrow. You'd probably still fly the regional planes as long as you would have been employed at a regional, maybe 5-10 years if you're a civilian. But now when your number comes up to flying something bigger they pay you that 5-10 year rate for the bigger plane vs hiring you when they need you to fly the bigger plane at year one. Also , the longer they make us stay at the regionals , is that many less years of capped out pay. I say burn it down
Maybe you should protest, seems to be the popular thing right now with the under privileged.
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Say delta takes all the regional flying in house tomorrow. You'd probably still fly the regional planes as long as you would have been employed at a regional, maybe 5-10 years if you're a civilian.
If there were no regionals, then military and civilian pilots would not be differentiated at mainline. Everyone starts at the bottom of the seniority list and moves up by attrition above at the same rate.

The difference now is military can skip the regional proving grounds and can go direct mainline (at least I think they can - maybe I'm wrong)
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Maybe you should protest, seems to be the popular thing right now with the under privileged.
I don't consider myself part of the under priveleged. I've done alright for myself all things considered.

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If there were no regionals, then military and civilian pilots would not be differentiated at mainline. Everyone starts at the bottom of the seniority list and moves up by attrition above at the same rate.

The difference now is military can skip the regional proving grounds and can go direct mainline (at least I think they can - maybe I'm wrong)
You are wrong. I am former military and I am at this regional. This place has been pretty good so far. Everyone has different circumstances, including veterans. Some get hired immediately, others are not as fortunate. You just gotta keep playing the game.
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I've seen people complain about CrewTrac before...i'm new to this program.

Just finished LOE and got assigned an OE trip. Scheduler said I could go into CrewTrac and look at it.

Logged in through chrome and at first got a red "Internal DOTNET server error (WEBCTWC)" message.

Later in the day I was able to login through chrome read my messages and clicked on my schedule and I get the "View Schedule box" that is not hyperlinked and a messge on the bottom:

Browser version/type is incompatible with this image information


So I try the whole operation in IE and I get "Internal DOTNET server error (WEBCTWC)" message.

Everything on my laptop is up to date and running Windows 10. Hopefully I don't need to run a virtual machine running XP just to view this thing...it didn't work on my phone either.
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I've seen people complain about CrewTrac before...i'm new to this program.

Just finished LOE and got assigned an OE trip. Scheduler said I could go into CrewTrac and look at it.

Logged in through chrome and at first got a red "Internal DOTNET server error (WEBCTWC)" message.

Later in the day I was able to login through chrome read my messages and clicked on my schedule and I get the "View Schedule box" that is not hyperlinked and a messge on the bottom:

Browser version/type is incompatible with this image information


So I try the whole operation in IE and I get "Internal DOTNET server error (WEBCTWC)" message.

Everything on my laptop is up to date and running Windows 10. Hopefully I don't need to run a virtual machine running XP just to view this thing...it didn't work on my phone either.
What you need to do is run that website in compatibility mode in IE. That should fix those issues.

And for my phone I use opera.
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If there were no regionals, then military and civilian pilots would not be differentiated at mainline. Everyone starts at the bottom of the seniority list and moves up by attrition above at the same rate.



The difference now is military can skip the regional proving grounds and can go direct mainline (at least I think they can - maybe I'm wrong)


I'm military and I'm here too. Enjoying it and leaning a lot.

What often gets left out of the "military goes straight to a legacy" discussion is that those military guys are accumulating 10-20 years experience flying there which is similar (and different) to guys spending 10-20 years at a regional. It's not like they go to pilot training and then just get suddenly hired at a legacy.

While I'm sure thousands of pages are filled regarding those differences, I'm not interested in whether one is better than the other. Both routes have years and years of experience and sacrifice.


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