legend

Dude as others have previously stated, worry about the big things. About 2-3 years ago we had downgrades, went from 141 200s to about 16 200s. Hence 700 plus pilots left in 2014. Now we're doing much better not because Delta wants to pay us more but because demand, competition and pilot shortage is causing Delta to Annie up. It will only get better. So what if the company needs to wait to Monday to put out initial. Everything in perspective. You'll live longer

musketeer

I get what you are saying, but basically half of this airline has been here for 3 years or less. To think that everyone will stick around and take a beating is a baseless statement.

Why you are telling me to leave I don't understand. I'm capable of making decisions, I was just bringing up a point of concern in the MEC's tone.

If they aren't capable of getting reservists to 12 days off/month and ensuring that min guarantee is not a pay cut in this environment, then they aren't asking for enough.

Give everyone $10/hr more and leave the current bonus how it is. Get creative. Something. No one should be taking a pay cut.

Urbandrone

Yes! I can't believe the company wants to better reward the people who are actually doing the work, and pay guys bidding not to work less! This is rediculious and so self centered of the company to pay people more who work more... what is this world coming to.

JesuitValen

Beating? QOL sucks on reserve; most of this company ain't on reserve. This is like PBS, "which is more important, commute or home base? ... Ok you say home base but are you willing to sit reserve even if you could have 15-18 off in nyc?... You are? Ok yeah stay where you're at... So commuting is worse than reserve? Ok."

Reserve rules are expensive in a contract and every newhire FO is oblivious to reserve rules. That reserve rule is flushed down the toilet every time a fo does whatever scheduling says or begs them on the phone to use them.

Big picture, movement will continue and pilots on reserve will not be there long and the ones that will be on reserve will be a dwarfed minority. It isn't worth the cost to give reserve guys their christmas list when it costs the senior pilots their jcba rates.

Get senior guys their rates back, until the whole tree has regrown its roots we arent gonna be worried about which single branch gets the largest fruit. Let's face it senior guys won't leave, so the union has no leverage to get them anything. And if new hires arent attracted into class, there is no Endeavor.

You might make small gains, but Delta has no reason to pump more money in for pilots unless the classes are empty or close to it.

Finally, this is a regional, move on. Delta hates regionals even though theyre caressing your leg now it won't be for long.

Green Needles

Rather than posting a sarcastic reply, think about the 10+ year guys that are stuck on reserve that can't credit over guarantee unless they pick up on their precious free days off. Nobody on property should take a pay cut, period. Trans States just upped their game. The AA's recently upped theirs. Endeavor needs to keep up. Stop justifying low pay bull$hit for regionals and demand better. They need us more than we need them.

Yumyum

1000% accurate. Something needs to happen soon or more will leave and less will come.

Urbandrone

Than keep the bonus. I'd be fine with that. By asking for the bonus to be rolled into min pay we are asking for a huge raise. Right now the bonus costs Delta about 40.6M a year. To roll that into min pay it would cost Delta 3.5M a year more without open time and 200% pickup. We should just keep the bonus and work on the top seniority pay.

Yumyum

I see your point and it makes sense. This is a problem Endeavor and a few other regionals will be facing in the coming years. The regionals with a flow will have relief up top, and because of that it will create upgrades as well as new hires. We shall see....🤔

Green Needles

Big deal, that's .08% of Delta's $4.4 billion net profit for 2016. They can afford it. Again, stop making excuses for lousy pay and working conditions compared to mainline without a real way of getting there.

Urbandrone

I've worked for lousy pay with poor working conditions, this is not one. You came here and there was no "path" to mineline, well beside hard work and dedication, put on your big boy pants and live with your choices. I like what this airline offers me don't ruin a good thing.