Green Needles

In your scenario, my year end W-2 earnings (paycheck) goes down. Thanks for clarifying what you said about the 401k match, the way I read it, you were saying there is no match at all.

Either way, our contract, pay, 401k, and working conditions suck in comparison to mainline. The most important thing for all "regional" pilots to remember is to not get divided and bicker. We're all in this fight to get to mainline together.

JesuitValen

Your W-2 ain't gonna help you retire like the 401k will. However, it's your ball and your court, my mind is on to other things. Also you represent a fraction of the pilot whole group. Commute like the rest of us suckers.

I have no idea if you're new to this or not but you're not going to be able to negotiate with mainline payrates in mind. The mainline RJ payrates are there to protect against future scope breaking purchases by mainline. Mainline pilots and management didn't put those rates in there to get the aircraft on property, it was to punish Delta (for example) if they bought any more RJs outside of scope, or as an ancillary purchase when buying another company (the northwest airlines purchase tore through delta pilots scope on large rjs and the pilots couldnt punish delta for it because they didn't have the rates to fly them. Theyd have had to take our rates and our industry standard total compensation).

I know the DTW reps have a big hardon for mainline rates for a while now, but it's a non starter.

Green Needles

I know we won't get mainline rates, but I stand firm on nobody taking a cut. I'd rather have the extra money for a Roth that'll be tax free when I retire :-D

JesuitValen

Yeah, I think it's fine if you want retention over rates, I'm just worried what happens when Dec 2018 comes around.

I suppose the company could have trouble filling classes mid 2018 and get you something better than they're offering now. However, Delta always wants to take it about 2 months longer than they should, and I don't know if you can survive another hit like the end of 2014. We about shut the doors from attrition.

Kforekyle

Delta rates for the 900 and a solid flow. There is absolutely no reason in the world why we should not get both.

musketeer

There shouldn't be a pay cut for anyone. I'm only pointing out that the focus of these negotiations is in the wrong spot.

Green Needles

I don't want retention over rates. I just want it to be a breakeven at guarantee.

It's going to be an interesting few years if the music keeps playing.

JesuitValen

The classes are nearly full, so the free market states at least one reason otherwise.
That's reasonable but when the vote goes out new hires don't vote for the first year and senior guys are a strong voting bloc who will probably outnumber the new hires who can't vote and the 2nd year pilot who can't even tell you when their last LEC election was.
Delta and Endeavor aint offering that, but you're right, it'll get interesting.

Hopefully no one shows up for a few months and you'll get everything on your wishlist.

Green Needles

Does anyone know the number of pilots in class for this month? The numbers the company has been saying include dispatchers, mechanics, etc.

madeinUSA

Any other regional could do it for half that cost.... Just one for starters.