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Old 06-10-2017, 09:38 AM
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Here we go again.

Originally Posted by whoareyou311 View Post
What the hell does the company and the union not understand that most of us don't credit more than 75 hours..
That is not borne out by reality. The vast majority of the company credits over 80 hours a month. Taking the salary asks a much much much larger portion of the company to forgo a payraise versus what would ultimately be a very small paycut for the small percentage of the company making close to guarantee. And that of course ignores improvements to vacation, sick time, and 401K as well as improvements to quality of life such as long call reserve.
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Old 06-10-2017, 09:51 AM
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Jesus I would take Long Call Reserve if we only got an 83 hour/month pay equivalency. In a heart beat. Hell, someone can have my line in NYC. I'll voluntarily bid that.

I'll do a highspeed or something on my day off if I really need to get back to 80 hours I guess.

Edit: Oh, and for the record I want to credit more than 75 hours. And so does nearly every FO. Whoever is saying most of the company doesn't want to do that should go read this.
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Old 06-10-2017, 09:59 AM
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Hourly rates. Period.

No salary.

Anyone that wants a salary to protect what they getting from a temporary bonus is majorly misguided.

Why the hell do you think the company wants a salary?

Because you will be working for free.
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Old 06-10-2017, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken View Post
Here we go again.



That is not borne out by reality. The vast majority of the company credits over 80 hours a month. Taking the salary asks a much much much larger portion of the company to forgo a payraise versus what would ultimately be a very small paycut for the small percentage of the company making close to guarantee. And that of course ignores improvements to vacation, sick time, and 401K as well as improvements to quality of life such as long call reserve.
Cool story bro....this BS logic of screw the junior guys in each seat and base...that is not the answer. Helping one part of the pilot group and neglecting some other parts is not a solution. Quote I got from the MEC chairman when I asked about this...." oh I bet you will credit more than 83 on reserve".....so what the hell is the union and the company going to do when I don't?? are they going to make up the difference so I don't have to take a pay cut/ and or take my self down to 8 or 9 days off and never see my kid....we have so many guys here that will just say yes to what the hell ever.
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Old 06-10-2017, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok View Post
Hourly rates. Period.

No salary.

Anyone that wants a salary to protect what they getting from a temporary bonus is majorly misguided.

Why the hell do you think the company wants a salary?

Because you will be working for free.
This is not based in anything other than opinion. What is the duration of this contract with hourly rates? If you are willing to take hourly rates for 5 years duration, we just lost tens of thousands of dollars. The math based on converting $23000 to 83 hours, equates to a raise of $2.09hr on 75 hours. That's a hell no. The C-series at Delta is going to pay 5 times what the CRJ 900 pays with only 24 additional seats.



I would rather wait until section 6 to negotiate, this is becoming a disaster quickly.
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Old 06-10-2017, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 172skychicken View Post
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That is not borne out by reality. The vast majority of the company credits over 80 hours a month. Taking the salary asks a much much much larger portion of the company to forgo a payraise versus what would ultimately be a very small paycut for the small percentage of the company making close to guarantee. And that of course ignores improvements to vacation, sick time, and 401K as well as improvements to quality of life such as long call reserve.
That's the point I was trying to make with my post...the company and union data, as well as the limited sample of talking to fellow Captains and FOs support the fact that most people credit above 83 hours per month. The dilemma we face is that is it worth reducing the pay raise for the majority of pilots to protect the pay of the vast minority? According to union data, 159 people (less than 10%) credited less than that last year.
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Old 06-10-2017, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by whoareyou311 View Post
Cool story bro....this BS logic of screw the junior guys in each seat and base...that is not the answer. Helping one part of the pilot group and neglecting some other parts is not a solution. Quote I got from the MEC chairman when I asked about this...." oh I bet you will credit more than 83 on reserve".....so what the hell is the union and the company going to do when I don't?? are they going to make up the difference so I don't have to take a pay cut/ and or take my self down to 8 or 9 days off and never see my kid....we have so many guys here that will just say yes to what the hell ever.
you seem quite upset. Instead of just being super negative on here... why dont you do something about it? voice your opinion in a more professional matter to the MEC or join in and make a difference. Or you can quit and go elsewhere where you may be happier, but I doubt that. Just here to stir the pot.
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by macciJ View Post
you seem quite upset. Instead of just being super negative on here... why dont you do something about it? voice your opinion in a more professional matter to the MEC or join in and make a difference. Or you can quit and go elsewhere where you may be happier, but I doubt that. Just here to stir the pot.
And I bet you wear the hat and get in line with the rest.
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Originally Posted by Rayeli View Post
That's the point I was trying to make with my post...the company and union data, as well as the limited sample of talking to fellow Captains and FOs support the fact that most people credit above 83 hours per month. The dilemma we face is that is it worth reducing the pay raise for the majority of pilots to protect the pay of the vast minority? According to union data, 159 people (less than 10%) credited less than that last year.
Nope, the problem is we should not be talking concessions for any part of the group. The $23000 should based on 75 hours period, or guarantee should be raised to 83 hours.

Why don't we just take the money out of sick pay, nobody should be calling in sick?
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:59 AM
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And I bet you wear the hat and get in line with the rest.
I wonder if you even iron your shirt. And I do enjoy to wear the hat thank you very much
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