Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
08-06-2017, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
I guess you really don't get it. Negotiate Delta rates for ALL the pilots. When the bonuses expire with no salary increase. People will leave, classes will be empty. Then and only then the pilot group will have real leverage.
Never going to happen in your scenario, Delta won't play our game.
I'm all for being in the best position possible, but we will never be able to force Delta into anything.
Our best option is to get the bonus turned into hourly rates immediately.
08-06-2017, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by macciJ
You guys do know not every one in the negotiation team has a CJO. Why all the bashing?
And I don't think that the notion that CJO holders shouldn't be negotiators is a bash at all, but a recognition that they have a conflict of interest. Nothing against their personal character. It took a while for it to sink in for me, but Delta pilots and Endeavor pilots have opposing monetary interests.
Having someone negotiating who is effectively a part of both groups, is like being represented by a lawyer who has a CJO at the opposition. Wouldn't you agree?
08-06-2017, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dashdriver44
We don't have a min day. We have an average daily guarantee of 5.15 which is not double your 4 hr min day
Also, you guys turned down 7.5 hours for CDOs. If you did apples to apples vs Delta, you guys would be almost double, because our contract blows. The problem with the bonus pay at Endeavor, is the union wants to base it off 83 hours, which Delta pilots would not even consider if they were in our shoes, so why should we?
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08-06-2017, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
I thought you get an extra 2-1 hours of suit up/short call pay, which is what all reserve at Endeavor is?
Also, you guys turned down 7.5 hours for CDOs. If you did apples to apples vs Delta, you guys would be almost double, because our contract blows. The problem with the bonus pay at Endeavor, is the union wants to base it off 83 hours, which Delta pilots would not even consider if they were in our shoes, so why should we?
Also, you guys turned down 7.5 hours for CDOs. If you did apples to apples vs Delta, you guys would be almost double, because our contract blows. The problem with the bonus pay at Endeavor, is the union wants to base it off 83 hours, which Delta pilots would not even consider if they were in our shoes, so why should we?
We didn't turn down 7.5 hour CDOs. The company can create CDOs but for 10:30.
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08-06-2017, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
We didn't turn down 7.5 hour CDOs. The company can create CDOs but for 10:30.
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08-06-2017, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
Do you what percentage are? Honest question.
And I don't think that the notion that CJO holders shouldn't be negotiators is a bash at all, but a recognition that they have a conflict of interest. Nothing against their personal character. It took a while for it to sink in for me, but Delta pilots and Endeavor pilots have opposing monetary interests.
Having someone negotiating who is effectively a part of both groups, is like being represented by a lawyer who has a CJO at the opposition. Wouldn't you agree?
And I don't think that the notion that CJO holders shouldn't be negotiators is a bash at all, but a recognition that they have a conflict of interest. Nothing against their personal character. It took a while for it to sink in for me, but Delta pilots and Endeavor pilots have opposing monetary interests.
Having someone negotiating who is effectively a part of both groups, is like being represented by a lawyer who has a CJO at the opposition. Wouldn't you agree?
08-06-2017, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
Do you what percentage are? Honest question.
And I don't think that the notion that CJO holders shouldn't be negotiators is a bash at all, but a recognition that they have a conflict of interest. Nothing against their personal character. It took a while for it to sink in for me, but Delta pilots and Endeavor pilots have opposing monetary interests.
Having someone negotiating who is effectively a part of both groups, is like being represented by a lawyer who has a CJO at the opposition. Wouldn't you agree?
And I don't think that the notion that CJO holders shouldn't be negotiators is a bash at all, but a recognition that they have a conflict of interest. Nothing against their personal character. It took a while for it to sink in for me, but Delta pilots and Endeavor pilots have opposing monetary interests.
Having someone negotiating who is effectively a part of both groups, is like being represented by a lawyer who has a CJO at the opposition. Wouldn't you agree?
08-06-2017, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot
Do you what percentage are? Honest question.
And I don't think that the notion that CJO holders shouldn't be negotiators is a bash at all, but a recognition that they have a conflict of interest. Nothing against their personal character. It took a while for it to sink in for me, but Delta pilots and Endeavor pilots have opposing monetary interests.
Having someone negotiating who is effectively a part of both groups, is like being represented by a lawyer who has a CJO at the opposition. Wouldn't you agree?
And I don't think that the notion that CJO holders shouldn't be negotiators is a bash at all, but a recognition that they have a conflict of interest. Nothing against their personal character. It took a while for it to sink in for me, but Delta pilots and Endeavor pilots have opposing monetary interests.
Having someone negotiating who is effectively a part of both groups, is like being represented by a lawyer who has a CJO at the opposition. Wouldn't you agree?
130/hr maxed out 900 CA can happen
Fix our Sick bank
401k improvements
Commuter policy: this needs a huge adjustment! Delta won't touch it, but they need to.
Travel S3 for work?
I mean really! What the hell is going on? We are in a pilot shortage and are traveling behind retirees. I have no problem going behind active DL employees, but busting my arse all day to get to work while watching retirees go ahead is ridiculous. If we can't make it....pay protect us for CIH! There needs to be an option for travel during work.
Long Call reserve. Actually the entire reserve contract needs to be trashed. This company has super senior pilots on reserve. Time to treat senior folks on reserve like it should be.
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