PT6flyer

I re read his post a couple times. He's trolling, or cant count past ten without taking off his shoes or he has never watched rainmaker. Maybe a combination of two or more.

How can you be apathetic toward soft pay? Softpay for some of our guys is the whole check. Any lineholder is going to have 20% of their check from softpay.

HighFlight

The part that troubles me is that it’s for 7 years. Does that mean we have to stay at (the negotiated) rate for that long, with no means to increase?

Iceberg

The bankruptcy contract was signed in 2014 and has a 7 year term. If they need it, they’ll come to the table before this is over. It’ll be at company discretion though.

web500sjc

Well, we have to stay at that rate, and the company also has to stay at that rate, until something else is negotiated. If rates keep going on this trajectory, how long will the company be able to keep these rates? Of they sit. Come up to the level, still good (as long as the MEC is right and this contract is the highest pay and benifits by far).

Woger Wabbit

Glad you "don't do airline pilot negotiations" if all you're after is "soft money"

Yeah, I'm trolling and can't tie my shoes or count to ten.

20 percent? Please enlighten us with your formula. (Actually don't cuz nobody really cares)


My point is, the soft pay has been below industry standards for quite some time, and getting it back to the norm still doesn't make up for what's been lost. I'm not saying it shouldn't be negotiated, I'm saying I would hope there's more to it than just soft money if they think it'll pass.

msprj2

Curious are you planning on being here more than 5 years.
If we're the best compensated regional pilots for those
Years I'm ok

Hardcharger

From a person at one of the AA WO's, all eyes are on Endeavor. What you folks ratify will likely be the standard for the rest of us. With the flow through issue, what you guys need to keep in mind is that a flow through agreement only benefits a limited amount of people, and is not part of a contractual agreement. My understanding is that it's in the form on an MOU between AA and their WO's. To reject a contract with a significant increase in "hard pay" that would benefit the entire pilot group because it contained no language on a flow agreement, which would only benefit a limited amount of people, seems very short sighted.

With the AA WO's, we are losing pilots faster through attrition from being hired by the likes of Delta, Jet Blue, and Spirit than we are from any flow through.

However it turns out for you guys, I hope for nothing but the best for you, and the rest of the regional industry, since however you guys and gals vote will set the standard for the rest of the industry.

PT6flyer

Time for you to start watching ur rainmaker. Not you by yourself, of course, find someone that can read it to you. Most of your coworkers can count without using their fingers.

Ive already offered to read the contract aloud for one guy on here like books on tape, maybe someone can do you a solid as well.

170driver

Don’t you work for PSA? The irony is killing me


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chrisreedrules

It may have been ironic 4+ years ago when the original 400-something pilots who were here at that time voted for our current contract. Since then almost every single one of those pilots has moved on to AA and PSA, PDT, and EVY have led the regional industry in career progression and compensation. Not unlike Endeavor. But in the current environment with almost every single regional raising the bar, to vote in that garbage contract and then try and defend it at every turn is sad to see. Especially when OO pilots had all the leverage. It has directly contributed to pilots losing their jobs.

I'm not defending anything that happened at PSA over a year before I got there. But to try and use what one airline did years ago to justify or try and detract from what OO did just this year is pretty lame.