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10-23-2017, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by crjscum
I'm sick of hearing this being thrown around. With that logic, you'd have been fine if they gave us just a $10/ hr raise instead of $23/ hr because it's a raise, it's permanent, we'd be out $23,000 come 2019.
If you think they would let that bonus come to an end you are sorely mistaken. That was a plus to us in negotiations. The closer that date got, the more desperate the company got to recruit FOs. Why do you think they pushed the negotiations through in a week flat? Delta realized they would have to do this quick or end up paying more in the end.
If you think they would let that bonus come to an end you are sorely mistaken. That was a plus to us in negotiations. The closer that date got, the more desperate the company got to recruit FOs. Why do you think they pushed the negotiations through in a week flat? Delta realized they would have to do this quick or end up paying more in the end.
If you don't think Delta has an alternate plan you are the one that is mistaken.
They would let that bonus expire in a heartbeat if it suited them.
10-23-2017, 08:15 AM
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Bingo. This guy gets it.
Originally Posted by gojo
There's an awful of conjecture these last few posts. What they're offering is acceptable at this time. If and when they fall behind the curve again the can do more loa's. If they decide not to, I guess that would tell us exactly how much leverage we have
10-23-2017, 08:24 AM
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Waiting another week to vote and 3 weeks to see the outcome is going to be torture.
And heaven forbid we're dumb enough to vote it down... then we've got to wait however long to be able to vote on TA 2.0.
I wonder what the average timeline has been for a second TA after a "no" vote at other airlines?
I haven't been paying enough attention to see who's been voting no lately.
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And heaven forbid we're dumb enough to vote it down... then we've got to wait however long to be able to vote on TA 2.0.
I wonder what the average timeline has been for a second TA after a "no" vote at other airlines?
I haven't been paying enough attention to see who's been voting no lately.
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10-23-2017, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
All you guys that think this is not a pay cut and that we don’t deserve better is in fantasy land!
PT6flyer tried to explain that to you but you missed the point.
We as Airline Pilots don't "deserve" anything, we get what we are able to NEGOTIATE.
There is no costing model used by our negiotators or by the company's negotiators that includes a "deserve" model.
The Company says "if we give you these rates/rules it will cost us XX Million." The Union says "we disagree, we think these rates/rules will net a YY million change" ...etc ...etc
You know how to get NO WHERE with negotiations within a business??
Try to bring "deserve" to the table.
That's not a thing.
I think our negiotators have done a GREAT job getting a temporary bonus into a permanent pay rate.
If you disagree, that's your right.
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10-23-2017, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
Waiting another week to vote and 3 weeks to see the outcome is going to be torture.
And heaven forbid we're dumb enough to vote it down... then we've got to wait however long to be able to vote on TA 2.0.
I wonder what the average timeline has been for a second TA after a "no" vote at other airlines?
I haven't been paying enough attention to see who's been voting no lately.
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And heaven forbid we're dumb enough to vote it down... then we've got to wait however long to be able to vote on TA 2.0.
I wonder what the average timeline has been for a second TA after a "no" vote at other airlines?
I haven't been paying enough attention to see who's been voting no lately.
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I don't.
10-23-2017, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
That's all fine and dandy, but they DID throw reserves under the bus for that 1 day off... I'll win that argument all day every day.
10-23-2017, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
You really think Delta will negotiate TA 2.0?
I don't.
I don't.
My point was in a dream world where they DO come back to the table, how long does it take to negotiate 2.0? A year? So October 2018, at which point we're back against the wall on the bonus expiration in January 2019.
Guys who think negotiating at that point with the bonus expiration right around the corner is better than now are CRAZY.
10-23-2017, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle
All you guys that think this is not a pay cut and that we don’t deserve better is in fantasy land!
So typing paycut with exclamation signs in every post ain't gonna help you.
10-23-2017, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Squak1200
Dude, you just leave your dark room to come spew your venomous thoughts here. Nobody is in fatasy land, did you get the math ? Rather, can you ? It is a paycut of $2250 a year at min guarantee. Everybody knows that. And no, not counting per diem or 401k. I am not going to argue how easy it is to make up for that, or go way more than that, because that ends up nowhere. So lets agree it is a paycut, lets say extra 10 cents of perdiem doesnt give an extra $300 a year, and 401k is all a myth. Unfortunately for you, people are still willing to trade all these losses off for a pay rate that is way above industry average, at least for now. Because most pilots credit enough to break even, or a little above.
So typing paycut with exclamation signs in every post ain't gonna help you.
So typing paycut with exclamation signs in every post ain't gonna help you.
We are paid by the minute and every minute I go over is more money in my pocket with the TA.
And another thing is how long are people going to have to live on this massive "pay cut" until their anniversary date puts them over what they would have been making anyway?
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