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Old 10-23-2017, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28 View Post
Yep hurry up and fear vote this in now people, because no matter what these "High pay rates" are economically bullet proof just like last time...ohh wait.
This isn't fear.

It's how Delta does business, it's the reality.

And yeah they can take it away again if they like.

Just proves my point more so.
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:00 PM
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This isn't fear.

It's how Delta does business, it's the reality.

And yeah they can take it away again if they like.

Just proves my point more so.
And that would be...
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Old 10-23-2017, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28 View Post
And that would be...
The brilliance and ruthlessness they showed Mesaba Pinnacle and Colgan.

The ass whoopin we took in bankruptcy.

The merciless stranglehold Delta has on us.

You can fight it, more power to ya.

I'm riding the current with this one.
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:09 PM
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Then you will have to further explain why 15-20 year guys are still behind their previous "contractual" pay rates seeing how that word somehow makes things irreversible.
I didn’t say it made it permanent. Of course they could declare bankruptcy and take concessions again. If you read my post again, you’ll notice it doesn’t say anything about contractual or permanent.

My point is the current pay scheme has an expiration at the end of next year. Then everyone aside from new hires will be far behind where the JCBA had them. With no guarantee of renewed negotiations.

The TA does not have an expiration attached to it. You are correct, it is not perfect. But, I would rather have the rates in the contract with no expiration attached. No it’s not permanent, but what really is? At least it isn’t scheduled to go away.
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28 View Post
Then you will have to further explain why 15-20 year guys are still behind their previous "contractual" pay rates seeing how that word somehow makes things irreversible.
This is a factually incorrect statement.

Pre-bankruptcy JCBA 20 year 76 seat captain rate at 12/1/15 (the furthest out rates went) was $119.02

Proposed TA 15 year 76 seat captain rate at 1/1/18 (the first rate available) would be $122.20

That is a $3.18 INCREASE (2.67%) from Pre-bankruptcy JCBA rate at a longevity 5 YEARS earlier.

It is also a $30.44 (33.17%) increase from current 12 year (top of scale) 76 seat captain rate.
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:25 PM
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So when the new TA passes are we going to see "#NotMyTA" all over social media?
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJ All Day View Post
So when the new TA passes are we going to see "#NotMyTA" all over social media?
I bet the company would go for an addendum for anyone that chooses can opt to keep the current rates for themselves and keep the bonus......until it expires of course.
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21 View Post
This is a factually incorrect statement.

Pre-bankruptcy JCBA 20 year 76 seat captain rate at 12/1/15 (the furthest out rates went) was $119.02

Proposed TA 15 year 76 seat captain rate at 1/1/18 (the first rate available) would be $122.20

That is a $3.18 INCREASE (2.67%) from Pre-bankruptcy JCBA rate at a longevity 5 YEARS earlier.

It is also a $30.44 (33.17%) increase from current 12 year (top of scale) 76 seat captain rate.
Woah woah woah. Numbers? Facts? That’s not how you argue. You didn’t even use a generic statement with exclamation points.
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
Woah woah woah. Numbers? Facts? That’s not how you argue. You didn’t even use a generic statement with exclamation points.
Wat h out they'll start coming at you with words like inflation.
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Old 10-23-2017, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CRJ All Day View Post
So when the new TA passes are we going to see "#NotMyTA" all over social media?
No. On Sun visors in car windows in base parking lots
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