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12-12-2017, 10:13 PM

#17621

mooney

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

I would say it’s the same as the 10,000’ altitude chime... AGL, not MSL, right?

Either you're not seeing my dark humor or I'm not seeing yours

12-12-2017, 11:15 PM

#17622

HighFlight

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I saw it. I just think that chiming at 10,000 AGL is pretty silly, unless one is flying in mountainous terrain. Kind of hard to ascertain 10K AGL without RAD ALT.

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Either you're not seeing my dark humor or I'm not seeing yours

12-13-2017, 01:27 AM

#17623

Green Needles

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That's why it's 10,000 AFE.

12-13-2017, 02:56 AM

#17624

Punkah Louvre

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Position: Airbus CA

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Engine failure

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Originally Posted by HighFlight

Can’t say whether it should or shouldn’t be in there, but it is.

I have had LCAs and other pilots who have done it as per the reference I quoted, and insisted I do it that way too. Also done it as the one-call method you describe, and either way, we never fell out of the sky. A lot of people call for speed mode before getting to V2+10-15 as well, some actually wait until they attain that speed (it’s a short pause, not too long after GEAR UP) and again, we took off just fine.

If you take off with the heading bug on runway heading (as per the company), not sure how you’d get 20-30° off runway heading?

TO/TO captures Aircraft Heading when the PSEU registers WOW- that’s what’s driving the FD before Heading Mode is called and selected. Get sideways after a V1 cut or crosswind and you’ll diverge from the Runway Heading you’re planning on

12-13-2017, 07:19 AM

#17625

1337pilot

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There really are people out there that insist on making this job harder than it has to be.

12-13-2017, 08:37 AM

#17626

Edgecrusher28

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Originally Posted by mooney

Is that pressure or density altitude AGL?

Idk why don’t you double check your E6B...🙄

12-13-2017, 09:10 AM

#17627

Flogger

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Position: CRJ200 CA

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I think I've figured out why the ATL RNAV departures didn't go so well for a while.

12-13-2017, 10:34 AM

#17628

HighFlight

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Why is that?

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Originally Posted by Flogger

I think I've figured out why the ATL RNAV departures didn't go so well for a while.

12-13-2017, 11:13 AM

#17629

mooney

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Originally Posted by Edgecrusher28

Idk why don’t you double check your E6B...🙄

I traded you my E6B for your kneeboard, remember?

12-13-2017, 11:20 AM

#17630

Rayeli

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HighFlight

You are correct, the manuals differ. You asked where it said that, and I provided the info. Perhaps it is a standards issue that needs to be addressed and the incorrect manual be made right.

The person who said it was a memo was correct, however in the company’s brilliance it looks like it has been deleted. It was a 200-only memo sometime in 2016. It mentioned something about or had in the title “DCA RNAV Departures”...the only reason the profile has changed is because off of runway 1 in DCA you have to begin the turn below 400’ AGL in order to avoid the prohibited area. Hence the need to arm nav mode below 400’ AGL. It was a 200-only memo because as previously stated, the 900 CFM says to arm NAV/HDG immediately.