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Old 12-19-2017, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MIkeFavinger View Post
The training department stresses speed mode in the climb and VS for descents. But out on the line you can use whatever works best for the situation.
Is this new? My initial was a bit more than a year ago, and the training mirrored the line: do whatever you want (except of course the no speed mode during approaches limitation).

I'll be very disappointed if they start making rules about that.
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Old 12-19-2017, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot View Post
Is this new? My initial was a bit more than a year ago, and the training mirrored the line: do whatever you want (except of course the no speed mode during approaches limitation).

I'll be very disappointed if they start making rules about that.
This was August. I was a July hire. No rules, nothing mandatory. That’s just what they stressed at the time.
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Old 12-19-2017, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by prex8390 View Post
Upgrades are still going fast to those who want and New York to anyone who so desires. Just prepare to sit reserve a few years. I’d imagine holding a like somewhere in the 2020 range. But New York captains are flying a ton. I’ve averages maybe about 90-100 credit hours every month. Also it’s hard to drop trips and Reserve days becuase we are short captains. ATL on the other hand.... Just dropped my whole month and am gonna pick up open time instead of sitting reserve.
How did you drop your whole month? Were you there right at 1700? Because when I checked last night (I was flying) all was red in ATL for 900 CA.
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:27 PM
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Well, good bye raw data takeoffs
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Old 12-19-2017, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by vessbot View Post
Well, good bye raw data takeoffs
Is that one of the changes in rev 4?
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Old 12-20-2017, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by seminolepilot View Post
Is that one of the changes in rev 4?
Yeah 7-20 in the CFM. The FD must be on for takeoff unless you have an Mel or a lcp.
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Old 12-20-2017, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by vessbot View Post
Well, good bye raw data takeoffs
Good...I don't want any new hires taking off raw data regardless. Way too many people over rotate even with the FD for some guidance.
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Old 12-20-2017, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by teddy3412 View Post
Yeah 7-20 in the CFM. The FD must be on for takeoff unless you have an Mel or a lcp.
I agree for RNAV but raw data is fine for non-RNAV departures in my book. Oh well. I'm sure FOQA or line observations are driving this.
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Old 12-20-2017, 05:17 AM
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So if a raw data takeoff is too dangerous to practice when it's on your own terms (you choose the conditions such as weather, tiredness, lack of other distracting factors, etc.) then what makes it safe enough to be allowable when you just showed up to a cockpit on leg 4 to discover a yellow sticker on the FCP and it's go-time, and you are about to do this for your first time ever?

This is bizarre.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:16 AM
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There is no 7-20 in the CFM (unless you’re privy to a new CFM the rest of us don’t have yet).

That’s not a Rev 4 thing, it’s in our current manuals, and has been for quite some time now. The FOM page 8-12 tells us LDI & FD are required for RNAV departures, and A/P is recommended.

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Yeah 7-20 in the CFM. The FD must be on for takeoff unless you have an Mel or a lcp.
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