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Old 03-18-2018, 11:56 AM   #19201  
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American has three wholly-owned airlines. Why do you guys assume an acquisition of Compass would automatically translate into a merger with Endeavor?

It's probably cheaper for Delta to pass on any acquisition prospects altogether. I just don't see the reason to rush to move those airplanes this year, especially if the rumors about the 700s are true. Waiting the extra year for the contract to expire gives Endeavor time to get the necessary programs up and running. The new rates are attracting pilots and we can grow the seniority list down the road. I don't think a merger would be necessary.
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American has three wholly-owned airlines. Why do you guys assume an acquisition of Compass would automatically translate into a merger with Endeavor?

It's probably cheaper for Delta to pass on any acquisition prospects altogether. I just don't see the reason to rush to move those airplanes this year, especially if the rumors about the 700s are true. Waiting the extra year for the contract to expire gives Endeavor time to get the necessary programs up and running. The new rates are attracting pilots and we can grow the seniority list down the road. I don't think a merger would be necessary.
Because itís contractually stated delta can only have one wholly owned carrier. If they wanna buy someone, they would have to merge is or just shut down the company and take its assets
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:41 PM   #19203  
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American has three wholly-owned airlines. Why do you guys assume an acquisition of Compass would automatically translate into a merger with Endeavor?

It's probably cheaper for Delta to pass on any acquisition prospects altogether. I just don't see the reason to rush to move those airplanes this year, especially if the rumors about the 700s are true. Waiting the extra year for the contract to expire gives Endeavor time to get the necessary programs up and running. The new rates are attracting pilots and we can grow the seniority list down the road. I don't think a merger would be necessary.
They could transfer a couple of airplanes early and take care of the proving runs and anything else required to obtain the E175 certificate. Then transfer the rest at a incremental rate afterwards. I just donít see Delta buying Compass. But what do I know
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:54 PM   #19204  
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I'd prefer to ramp-up the 700/900 line and send the 200 to SkyWest. The cost and effort to start and maintain a 175 program at 9E might draw on company resources that I'd rather be negotiated into pay/benefits. And I imagine the 175 will go super senior even if it remained in the western-half of the US. More senior if we fly them in the east.
I've been wondering how 9E would acquire the 175?
1) A quick move from Compass at the end of their CPA wouldn't be practical. Airplanes would sit until we have crews trained.
2) Straight merge with Compass. Seniority issues especially in the 9E pilot group; although I wouldn't oppose the possibility.
3) Staple? Good way to immediately anger 600+ future fellow pilots. I oppose stapling an entire pilot group below us. Bad and unfair.
4) Bring the 175s in slowly like the EV to 9E process. Doable, but Compass gets shafted. Fellow pilots struggling as their airline is bled off...like SkyWest is doing to EV. Not good IMHO.
5) Delta buys Compass as a completely separate Wholly Owned similar to AA's regional set up with Envoy/PSA/Piedmont. Don't think that's going to happen after hearing what our CEO and COO have said about 3 DCI carriers.
If we do get the 175, I think it's going to be via #2 or #4. Maybe there's another possibility?
Of course, SkyWest and Republic fly the 175 too, but I don't think we'll see any 175s from them. Delta already has their hands around Republic's throat and SkyWest routinely bends their pilot groups over the desk while somehow convincing them it's ok because they use lube. What Mainline company would argue with that business plan?
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I'd prefer to ramp-up the 700/900 line and send the 200 to SkyWest. The cost and effort to start and maintain a 175 program at 9E might draw on company resources that I'd rather be negotiated into pay/benefits. And I imagine the 175 will go super senior even if it remained in the western-half of the US. More senior if we fly them in the east.
I've been wondering how 9E would acquire the 175?
1) A quick move from Compass at the end of their CPA wouldn't be practical. Airplanes would sit until we have crews trained.
2) Straight merge with Compass. Seniority issues especially in the 9E pilot group; although I wouldn't oppose the possibility.
3) Staple? Good way to immediately anger 600+ future fellow pilots. I oppose stapling an entire pilot group below us. Bad and unfair.
4) Bring the 175s in slowly like the EV to 9E process. Doable, but Compass gets shafted. Fellow pilots struggling as their airline is bled off...like SkyWest is doing to EV. Not good IMHO.
5) Delta buys Compass as a completely separate Wholly Owned similar to AA's regional set up with Envoy/PSA/Piedmont. Don't think that's going to happen after hearing what our CEO and COO have said about 3 DCI carriers.
If we do get the 175, I think it's going to be via #2 or #4. Maybe there's another possibility?
Of course, SkyWest and Republic fly the 175 too, but I don't think we'll see any 175s from them. Delta already has their hands around Republic's throat and SkyWest routinely bends their pilot groups over the desk while somehow convincing them it's ok because they use lube. What Mainline company would argue with that business plan?
Thoughts?
SkyPest is going to have their own staffing crisis to simply staff the 30 DL 175SC's and 10 AS 175's this year, let alone take on more flying. Outside of that, Skywest wouldn't want a load of partner owned 200's, as they own a majority of the 200's they current operate. Couple that with the fact that I'd imagine they're going to be looking to wind down that 20 AA CR7 fleet at ASA quickly, they'll need to bring that onboard OO.

Easiest way to bring a 175 program on at 9E? Don't transfer all 22 G7 700's. Give us a total fleet of 10-15 CR7's, let GoJet operate the remainder for a short term, and go buy 10 175SC's to start the fleet with at 9E. Then once that's up, you can transfer the CPZ 175's over.
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Is it just me or is there significantly little open time next month.
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Old 03-18-2018, 02:22 PM   #19207  
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Created in 2016 or 2017 but was shelved. So it’s there and ready
So you have a training program, CKA'S, a certified simulator, AOM, FOM, checklists, WBCM, MMEL etc. just sitting idle somewhere collecting dust??
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I'd prefer to ramp-up the 700/900 line and send the 200 to SkyWest. The cost and effort to start and maintain a 175 program at 9E might draw on company resources that I'd rather be negotiated into pay/benefits. And I imagine the 175 will go super senior even if it remained in the western-half of the US. More senior if we fly them in the east.
I've been wondering how 9E would acquire the 175?
1) A quick move from Compass at the end of their CPA wouldn't be practical. Airplanes would sit until we have crews trained.
2) Straight merge with Compass. Seniority issues especially in the 9E pilot group; although I wouldn't oppose the possibility.
3) Staple? Good way to immediately anger 600+ future fellow pilots. I oppose stapling an entire pilot group below us. Bad and unfair.
4) Bring the 175s in slowly like the EV to 9E process. Doable, but Compass gets shafted. Fellow pilots struggling as their airline is bled off...like SkyWest is doing to EV. Not good IMHO.
5) Delta buys Compass as a completely separate Wholly Owned similar to AA's regional set up with Envoy/PSA/Piedmont. Don't think that's going to happen after hearing what our CEO and COO have said about 3 DCI carriers.
If we do get the 175, I think it's going to be via #2 or #4. Maybe there's another possibility?
Of course, SkyWest and Republic fly the 175 too, but I don't think we'll see any 175s from them. Delta already has their hands around Republic's throat and SkyWest routinely bends their pilot groups over the desk while somehow convincing them it's ok because they use lube. What Mainline company would argue with that business plan?
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I think youre answering your own questions here.
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Old 03-18-2018, 02:27 PM   #19209  
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SkyPest is going to have their own staffing crisis to simply staff the 30 DL 175SC's and 10 AS 175's this year, let alone take on more flying. Outside of that, Skywest wouldn't want a load of partner owned 200's, as they own a majority of the 200's they current operate. Couple that with the fact that I'd imagine they're going to be looking to wind down that 20 AA CR7 fleet at ASA quickly, they'll need to bring that onboard OO.

Easiest way to bring a 175 program on at 9E? Don't transfer all 22 G7 700's. Give us a total fleet of 10-15 CR7's, let GoJet operate the remainder for a short term, and go buy 10 175SC's to start the fleet with at 9E. Then once that's up, you can transfer the CPZ 175's over.
If OO gets new 175's, they'll have to be 69 or 70 seat and they'd probably have to park the 700s with EV tails.
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SkyPest is going to have their own staffing crisis to simply staff the 30 DL 175SC's and 10 AS 175's this year, let alone take on more flying. Outside of that, Skywest wouldn't want a load of partner owned 200's, as they own a majority of the 200's they current operate. Couple that with the fact that I'd imagine they're going to be looking to wind down that 20 AA CR7 fleet at ASA quickly, they'll need to bring that onboard OO.

Easiest way to bring a 175 program on at 9E? Don't transfer all 22 G7 700's. Give us a total fleet of 10-15 CR7's, let GoJet operate the remainder for a short term, and go buy 10 175SC's to start the fleet with at 9E. Then once that's up, you can transfer the CPZ 175's over.
The last paragraph makes little business sense. What you're proposing would have Delta pay for us to develop our own type certificate for operators, new Op Specs, etc, etc. And then on top of that, have to do conformity expenses to bring CZ planes to the new 9E Op Spec. No. That's way too much money. Delta could easily acquire the whole dang thing and just slap the name 9E on the side of it for way less. Delta doesn't care about the pilot logistics of who's more senior to who, nor who gets to play captain on what. That's for Alpo to hash out.
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