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04-22-2018, 05:19 PM
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For all those that claim they won't log over 9 hours, you do realize that FAR 117 does allow for over 9 hours without penalty if the final leg has "unforeseen delays enroute" so say you are put in an enroute hold for a runway change or emergency arrival for example. As long as every expectation at takeoff had you arriving under 9 hours (or 8 when 8 is the max per the chart) and you arrive at 9.3 (or whatever) hours because of those unforeseen delays, you are still legal and should be logging those hours.
04-22-2018, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
For all those that claim they won't log over 9 hours, you do realize that FAR 117 does allow for over 9 hours without penalty if the final leg has "unforeseen delays enroute" so say you are put in an enroute hold for a runway change or emergency arrival for example. As long as every expectation at takeoff had you arriving under 9 hours (or 8 when 8 is the max per the chart) and you arrive at 9.3 (or whatever) hours because of those unforeseen delays, you are still legal and should be logging those hours.
04-22-2018, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
For all those that claim they won't log over 9 hours, you do realize that FAR 117 does allow for over 9 hours without penalty if the final leg has "unforeseen delays enroute" so say you are put in an enroute hold for a runway change or emergency arrival for example. As long as every expectation at takeoff had you arriving under 9 hours (or 8 when 8 is the max per the chart) and you arrive at 9.3 (or whatever) hours because of those unforeseen delays, you are still legal and should be logging those hours.
04-22-2018, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
For all those that claim they won't log over 9 hours, you do realize that FAR 117 does allow for over 9 hours without penalty if the final leg has "unforeseen delays enroute" so say you are put in an enroute hold for a runway change or emergency arrival for example. As long as every expectation at takeoff had you arriving under 9 hours (or 8 when 8 is the max per the chart) and you arrive at 9.3 (or whatever) hours because of those unforeseen delays, you are still legal and should be logging those hours.
Originally Posted by vessbot
OK, but what about when "every expectation at takeoff" has you arriving at over 9 hours block?
04-22-2018, 07:37 PM
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Does anyone know where to find the wording in the contract saying that 5 day trips are required to be commutable? My understanding is that “commutable” means starts no earlier than noon and ends no later than 1800. I have a 5 day that finishes at 18:40.
04-23-2018, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SomeAv8tor
Does anyone know where to find the wording in the contract saying that 5 day trips are required to be commutable? My understanding is that “commutable” means starts no earlier than noon and ends no later than 1800. I have a 5 day that finishes at 18:40.
04-23-2018, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by prex8390
Is that even in the contract? Honest question
04-23-2018, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by teddy3412
A quick glance does not show it in the co tract but I didn't dig very hard. As far as I can tell pbs might have mins and Max's that they work out with the company but I don't think it's contractual.
04-23-2018, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by SomeAv8tor
Does anyone know where to find the wording in the contract saying that 5 day trips are required to be commutable? My understanding is that “commutable” means starts no earlier than noon and ends no later than 1800. I have a 5 day that finishes at 18:40.
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