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04-13-2019, 08:37 PM

#21671

Kforekyle

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Originally Posted by flydiamond

Personally I think it’s mostly due to the lower hiring at DL today compared to how things were during the SSP. 500 a year versus 1000+. While it’s not quite at the point where you need space shuttle time to get an off the street interview, there’s no doubt things are more competitive now than they were in 2014-2017. Our applicants simply cannot compete as well with the higher scoring (eg military with masters) off the street interviewees being called in. I’ve heard that the movement from compass to Delta has all but dried up as well. All but impossible for them to even get an invite. I suspect that the rate will get better once Delta actually gets back to hiring 1000 a year, but this is a huge limitation of the program. you’re compared to the applicants at the time you go for your interview rather than the quality of your work / compared to your peers while already flying delta’s passengers in delta’s planes...

This will not change. This is exactly why we need a more concrete agreement. The pilots here need more of a merritt based flow that is down in contractual form.

04-14-2019, 03:06 AM

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JesuitValen

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Originally Posted by Johnspanjers

Why does everyone think the DGI rate is so low? Is it due to an entitlement attitude or a lack of preparation? Asking for a friend.

FlyDiamond makes up a pretty excuse but the truth is there is no reason. The interview is a subjective test with scoring (like whose line is it anyway) and somehow that gives us about a 50/50 shot. For instance the SSP pilots taking a 3rd bite of the apple are sometimes getting the cjo after being told "never".

This thing is just subjective as hell and scored like "whose line is it anyway". So do your best and know the interview doesn't mean anything about you because the only real proof we have is that the interview results are not repeatable or scientific in the slightest

04-14-2019, 04:54 AM

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IAFDOF

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Originally Posted by Johnspanjers

Why does everyone think the DGI rate is so low? Is it due to an entitlement attitude or a lack of preparation? Asking for a friend.

Because with the DGI, Delta *has* to interview you. If you get a call off the street, though, Delta *wants* to interview you. For that reason, the DGI will presumably always have a lower success rate.

04-14-2019, 07:34 AM

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Meow1215

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Originally Posted by Kforekyle

This will not change. This is exactly why we need a more concrete agreement. The pilots here need more of a merritt based flow that is down in contractual form.

Not happening, the merit is: apply, prep, and interview. DAL has 10,000 apps on file - there will not be a flow.

04-14-2019, 08:36 AM

#21675

Green Needles

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Originally Posted by Meow1215

Not happening, the merit is: apply, prep, and interview. DAL has 10,000 apps on file - there will not be a flow.

It won't happen because Delta is arrogant. We're held to the same standards as mainline. Our performance metrics and customer service/podium announcement stats even exceed mainline at times. Delta values it's profits and hazing process more than it values it's subsidiary employees. We've already earned our place at the table. However, life isn't just or fair and we don't get to write the rules because Delta writes the checks.

I'm not sorry that I don't have the kiss the ring and grovel at the feet of our "Aerodynamics for Naval Aviators" clutching overlords that some do. The fact is we are professionals that do our job damn well and deserve better, but life owes us nothing.

04-14-2019, 08:59 AM

#21676

Mesabah

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Originally Posted by Meow1215

Not happening, the merit is: apply, prep, and interview. DAL has 10,000 apps on file - there will not be a flow.

There might be a reverse flow, as the Delta pilots want better flowback provisions in the next contract. If Delta over hires in the next decade, that might be an issue for guys sticking around here.

04-14-2019, 09:36 AM

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EDVPLT

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

There might be a reverse flow, as the Delta pilots want better flowback provisions in the next contract. If Delta over hires in the next decade, that might be an issue for guys sticking around here.

Would that not require an agreement between our union?

04-14-2019, 10:24 AM

#21678

Casualinterest

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

There might be a reverse flow, as the Delta pilots want better flowback provisions in the next contract. If Delta over hires in the next decade, that might be an issue for guys sticking around here.

LOL have you see the rest of that document? Some of the things in at opening salvo are so completely outside of the realm of reality its impressive. Obviously going for the sticker price trick so their next proposal doesnt look crazy by comparison.

04-14-2019, 11:32 AM

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Baradium

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Originally Posted by Mesabah

There might be a reverse flow, as the Delta pilots want better flowback provisions in the next contract. If Delta over hires in the next decade, that might be an issue for guys sticking around here.

If it remained a serious ask, it would be a potential boon for EDV pilots for the company to have a need to negotiate it.

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Would that not require an agreement between our union?

It would, and EDV pilots would be right to expect an actual flow up in that case IMO, although it's possible something else could be offered that would be palatable. I don't really think they will put a lot of effort into getting it though in the current environment.

I do find it interesting that having to do an interview is considered hazing now though. As far as I can tell, AA is the only major that even has a real flow. I would like to see higher rates for the DGI, but I don't think the concept of a guaranteed interview is a horrible thing in and of itself.

04-14-2019, 11:40 AM

#21680

Green Needles

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Originally Posted by Baradium

I do find it interesting that having to do an interview is considered hazing now though.

When you already work for the wholly owned subsidiary, doing a cog test, job knowledge test, and psych screen serves no purpose than hazing. If you don't have the cognitive ability, the job knowledge, or are psychologically unfit, you have no business flying for 9E either. All the other wholly owned regionals have flow, we have a coin flip.

As I've said before, I have no problem with some sort of screening process before going to mainline, but give us defined, merit based metrics. Not three BS tests and a popularity contest of a panel.