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09-10-2020, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pad39a
Politics is fun but we should get back to business with a crystal ball peering contest. When are we going to start hiring again? Or get 175s?
175s - when we get stapled to Delta.
09-11-2020, 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sperrysan
I agree with you fully! Now Try and apply your critial thinking in the same fashion for Trump supporters and "white supremacists".
As for visible support, I would gladly support if BLM chapters denounced public racism directed to white people, assaulting cops, and violent rioting under the name of BLM. Once you denounced that stuff we could have a conversation, otherwise you are complicit in the destruction of our Republic.
As for visible support, I would gladly support if BLM chapters denounced public racism directed to white people, assaulting cops, and violent rioting under the name of BLM. Once you denounced that stuff we could have a conversation, otherwise you are complicit in the destruction of our Republic.
*Some BLM organizations have bad ideas, so the whole movement is a bad idea.
I think that's called a false equivocation and it's just another example of how Americans are COMPLETELY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND complex ideas without drilling them down to simple one liner summaries.
First of all, that post from ONE of the BLM websites doesn't say they want to eliminate your nuclear family. Just that they support the community driven approach used for centuries in other places on earth. You ever hear the phrase, "it takes a village"?
Second, if you think trying to reduce racism against people of color is tantamount to some kind of reverse racism, that's amazing and I can't help you. No one can.
Have you spoken to a single person wearing a blm pin about what it means to them? Or do you just get all your talking points from Fox?
Well now I'm confused, is it a communist organization or a marxists organization? Seems you guys can never really agree. Is it possible because you don't understand the difference? And not for nothing, but which blm organization are you talking about. Since there isn't one. There are over 16. The one that bought the domain name?
It's simple, and it can't be any simpler.... We have a problem in this country. Maybe it's economical (it is), maybe it's political (it is), maybe it's the education system (it is), and maybe it's the justice system (it definitely is). And we need to publicly acknowledge that.
You guys love to talk about the "bad apples" in the police. Or the "bad apples" in the Trump camp. Then say, you can't paint all of us with a broad brush because of the actions of a few. Then the second you see a video of disruptive or dangerous BLM supporters you say, "see they're all bad". The hypocrisy... How about the literally millions of other people who support the blm movement who don't riot or yell at teenagers eating ice cream? I guess we're all socialists too. Or communists. Or marxists...I can't remember...
As for MLK "rolling around in his grave". You don't know the first thing about the civil rights movement or mlk's work. Not one thing. Did you know him personally or something? MLK knew that it took grassroots efforts by thousands of people across the nation to make the idea of racial equality less extreme and to bring light to the suffering. He also disagreed with the methods of Malcom X and the black panthers but knew that any public disagreements would be used as ammo to question the legitimacy of the movement. It was more important to focus on getting politicians and businesses onboard... Stay on message.
The reason why it's so critical to get companies like Delta to publicly support the idea of racial equality and criminal justice reform is because it gives politicians the cover they need to start driving these changes.
And that's what the pins about. (In my opinion)
09-11-2020, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Sperrysan
I'm talking about the airlines openly supporting a communist movement that is not a good direction for our country to go. You can say what you feel BLM actually is and means, but looking at the facts it is an openly racist movement used to divide Americans even further. BLMs plan to fight racism is with more racism. Police violence with more violence. MLK Jr. would be rolling in his grave if he saw what the US has done to freedom and race relations. My point of all of this, regardless of where you stand, is airlines should stick to what they do best, move passengers from A to B. That is it.
See citations attached. If they work
Ice cream
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...d=182919686769
Dismantling nuclear families block quote
See citations attached. If they work
Ice cream
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...d=182919686769
Dismantling nuclear families block quote
Sorry man, but you need to look at your own biases here. If you think that making children comfortable is a “communist” movement that is “bad for America,” I really have to question your rationale. The fact is that BLM movement is hugely nuanced, with the vast majority of supporters simply want better lives for people. I think writing the whole thing off is extremely lazy and borderline paranoid.
It seems to me it’s only a bad idea to discuss “politics and religion” with unreasonable, selfish people. I’ve actually had excellent conversations with other crewmembers who realize their viewpoint isn’t the only viewpoint...
09-11-2020, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by IAFDOF
It seems to me it’s only a bad idea to discuss “politics and religion” with unreasonable, selfish people. I’ve actually had excellent conversations with other crewmembers who realize their viewpoint isn’t the only viewpoint...
09-11-2020, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
So this. I've had good conversations with captains who are all over the map. The common denominator has been a willingness to listen and try to understand on both sides.
Delta took a risk with the pins and public support. The phrase and movement "BLM" is tied to the "BLM" organization the same as "MAGA" is tied to Trump. No good person would disagree that black lives matter or that they want America to be great. Those phrases carry a certain loaded connotation. In our hyper politicized world with boycott and cancel culture, doing anything or nothing will alienate customers. No matter what you do, someone will be upset or offended. With our pax counts being down as far as they are, I hope Delta knows what they're doing. Our jobs depend on it.
In other news, 175s and staple FTW!
09-11-2020, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
*Some Trump supporters are racists but that doesn't mean all Trump supporters are racist.
*Some BLM organizations have bad ideas, so the whole movement is a bad idea.
I think that's called a false equivocation and it's just another example of how Americans are COMPLETELY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND complex ideas without drilling them down to simple one liner summaries.
First of all, that post from ONE of the BLM websites doesn't say they want to eliminate your nuclear family. Just that they support the community driven approach used for centuries in other places on earth. You ever hear the phrase, "it takes a village"?
Second, if you think trying to reduce racism against people of color is tantamount to some kind of reverse racism, that's amazing and I can't help you. No one can.
Have you spoken to a single person wearing a blm pin about what it means to them? Or do you just get all your talking points from Fox?
Well now I'm confused, is it a communist organization or a marxists organization? Seems you guys can never really agree. Is it possible because you don't understand the difference? And not for nothing, but which blm organization are you talking about. Since there isn't one. There are over 16. The one that bought the domain name?
It's simple, and it can't be any simpler.... We have a problem in this country. Maybe it's economical (it is), maybe it's political (it is), maybe it's the education system (it is), and maybe it's the justice system (it definitely is). And we need to publicly acknowledge that.
You guys love to talk about the "bad apples" in the police. Or the "bad apples" in the Trump camp. Then say, you can't paint all of us with a broad brush because of the actions of a few. Then the second you see a video of disruptive or dangerous BLM supporters you say, "see they're all bad". The hypocrisy... How about the literally millions of other people who support the blm movement who don't riot or yell at teenagers eating ice cream? I guess we're all socialists too. Or communists. Or marxists...I can't remember...
As for MLK "rolling around in his grave". You don't know the first thing about the civil rights movement or mlk's work. Not one thing. Did you know him personally or something? MLK knew that it took grassroots efforts by thousands of people across the nation to make the idea of racial equality less extreme and to bring light to the suffering. He also disagreed with the methods of Malcom X and the black panthers but knew that any public disagreements would be used as ammo to question the legitimacy of the movement. It was more important to focus on getting politicians and businesses onboard... Stay on message.
The reason why it's so critical to get companies like Delta to publicly support the idea of racial equality and criminal justice reform is because it gives politicians the cover they need to start driving these changes.
And that's what the pins about. (In my opinion)
*Some BLM organizations have bad ideas, so the whole movement is a bad idea.
I think that's called a false equivocation and it's just another example of how Americans are COMPLETELY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND complex ideas without drilling them down to simple one liner summaries.
First of all, that post from ONE of the BLM websites doesn't say they want to eliminate your nuclear family. Just that they support the community driven approach used for centuries in other places on earth. You ever hear the phrase, "it takes a village"?
Second, if you think trying to reduce racism against people of color is tantamount to some kind of reverse racism, that's amazing and I can't help you. No one can.
Have you spoken to a single person wearing a blm pin about what it means to them? Or do you just get all your talking points from Fox?
Well now I'm confused, is it a communist organization or a marxists organization? Seems you guys can never really agree. Is it possible because you don't understand the difference? And not for nothing, but which blm organization are you talking about. Since there isn't one. There are over 16. The one that bought the domain name?
It's simple, and it can't be any simpler.... We have a problem in this country. Maybe it's economical (it is), maybe it's political (it is), maybe it's the education system (it is), and maybe it's the justice system (it definitely is). And we need to publicly acknowledge that.
You guys love to talk about the "bad apples" in the police. Or the "bad apples" in the Trump camp. Then say, you can't paint all of us with a broad brush because of the actions of a few. Then the second you see a video of disruptive or dangerous BLM supporters you say, "see they're all bad". The hypocrisy... How about the literally millions of other people who support the blm movement who don't riot or yell at teenagers eating ice cream? I guess we're all socialists too. Or communists. Or marxists...I can't remember...
As for MLK "rolling around in his grave". You don't know the first thing about the civil rights movement or mlk's work. Not one thing. Did you know him personally or something? MLK knew that it took grassroots efforts by thousands of people across the nation to make the idea of racial equality less extreme and to bring light to the suffering. He also disagreed with the methods of Malcom X and the black panthers but knew that any public disagreements would be used as ammo to question the legitimacy of the movement. It was more important to focus on getting politicians and businesses onboard... Stay on message.
The reason why it's so critical to get companies like Delta to publicly support the idea of racial equality and criminal justice reform is because it gives politicians the cover they need to start driving these changes.
And that's what the pins about. (In my opinion)
09-11-2020, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Sperrysan
ouchie. It appears I have struck a nerve with this one. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
09-11-2020, 06:55 AM
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This pin move is ironic considering recent company communications about avoiding the very discussions these pins will stimulate. Do such discussions need to happen? Yes, but not in the workplace.
Daddy D is free to reach out on a corporate level to appropriate charities, sponsor scholarships and such. But to issue employees pins which fall on one side or the other of an issue is not wise, considering we have policies which could lead to discipline or termination for merely discussing the matter at work or in uniform-or wearing a pin which falls on the other side.
This will come back to bite big D. I get their intention, but they didn't do the math. For example, somebody who rightfully so, wants to wear the other BLM pin is probably talking with an attorney as we type.
Daddy D is free to reach out on a corporate level to appropriate charities, sponsor scholarships and such. But to issue employees pins which fall on one side or the other of an issue is not wise, considering we have policies which could lead to discipline or termination for merely discussing the matter at work or in uniform-or wearing a pin which falls on the other side.
This will come back to bite big D. I get their intention, but they didn't do the math. For example, somebody who rightfully so, wants to wear the other BLM pin is probably talking with an attorney as we type.
09-11-2020, 12:47 PM
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Posts: 366
Originally Posted by Flogger
This pin move is ironic considering recent company communications about avoiding the very discussions these pins will stimulate. Do such discussions need to happen? Yes, but not in the workplace.
09-11-2020, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
*Some Trump supporters are racists but that doesn't mean all Trump supporters are racist.
*Some BLM organizations have bad ideas, so the whole movement is a bad idea.
I think that's called a false equivocation and it's just another example of how Americans are COMPLETELY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND complex ideas without drilling them down to simple one liner summaries.
First of all, that post from ONE of the BLM websites doesn't say they want to eliminate your nuclear family. Just that they support the community driven approach used for centuries in other places on earth. You ever hear the phrase, "it takes a village"?
Second, if you think trying to reduce racism against people of color is tantamount to some kind of reverse racism, that's amazing and I can't help you. No one can.
Have you spoken to a single person wearing a blm pin about what it means to them? Or do you just get all your talking points from Fox?
Well now I'm confused, is it a communist organization or a marxists organization? Seems you guys can never really agree. Is it possible because you don't understand the difference? And not for nothing, but which blm organization are you talking about. Since there isn't one. There are over 16. The one that bought the domain name?
It's simple, and it can't be any simpler.... We have a problem in this country. Maybe it's economical (it is), maybe it's political (it is), maybe it's the education system (it is), and maybe it's the justice system (it definitely is). And we need to publicly acknowledge that.
You guys love to talk about the "bad apples" in the police. Or the "bad apples" in the Trump camp. Then say, you can't paint all of us with a broad brush because of the actions of a few. Then the second you see a video of disruptive or dangerous BLM supporters you say, "see they're all bad". The hypocrisy... How about the literally millions of other people who support the blm movement who don't riot or yell at teenagers eating ice cream? I guess we're all socialists too. Or communists. Or marxists...I can't remember...
As for MLK "rolling around in his grave". You don't know the first thing about the civil rights movement or mlk's work. Not one thing. Did you know him personally or something? MLK knew that it took grassroots efforts by thousands of people across the nation to make the idea of racial equality less extreme and to bring light to the suffering. He also disagreed with the methods of Malcom X and the black panthers but knew that any public disagreements would be used as ammo to question the legitimacy of the movement. It was more important to focus on getting politicians and businesses onboard... Stay on message.
The reason why it's so critical to get companies like Delta to publicly support the idea of racial equality and criminal justice reform is because it gives politicians the cover they need to start driving these changes.
And that's what the pins about. (In my opinion)
*Some BLM organizations have bad ideas, so the whole movement is a bad idea.
I think that's called a false equivocation and it's just another example of how Americans are COMPLETELY UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND complex ideas without drilling them down to simple one liner summaries.
First of all, that post from ONE of the BLM websites doesn't say they want to eliminate your nuclear family. Just that they support the community driven approach used for centuries in other places on earth. You ever hear the phrase, "it takes a village"?
Second, if you think trying to reduce racism against people of color is tantamount to some kind of reverse racism, that's amazing and I can't help you. No one can.
Have you spoken to a single person wearing a blm pin about what it means to them? Or do you just get all your talking points from Fox?
Well now I'm confused, is it a communist organization or a marxists organization? Seems you guys can never really agree. Is it possible because you don't understand the difference? And not for nothing, but which blm organization are you talking about. Since there isn't one. There are over 16. The one that bought the domain name?
It's simple, and it can't be any simpler.... We have a problem in this country. Maybe it's economical (it is), maybe it's political (it is), maybe it's the education system (it is), and maybe it's the justice system (it definitely is). And we need to publicly acknowledge that.
You guys love to talk about the "bad apples" in the police. Or the "bad apples" in the Trump camp. Then say, you can't paint all of us with a broad brush because of the actions of a few. Then the second you see a video of disruptive or dangerous BLM supporters you say, "see they're all bad". The hypocrisy... How about the literally millions of other people who support the blm movement who don't riot or yell at teenagers eating ice cream? I guess we're all socialists too. Or communists. Or marxists...I can't remember...
As for MLK "rolling around in his grave". You don't know the first thing about the civil rights movement or mlk's work. Not one thing. Did you know him personally or something? MLK knew that it took grassroots efforts by thousands of people across the nation to make the idea of racial equality less extreme and to bring light to the suffering. He also disagreed with the methods of Malcom X and the black panthers but knew that any public disagreements would be used as ammo to question the legitimacy of the movement. It was more important to focus on getting politicians and businesses onboard... Stay on message.
The reason why it's so critical to get companies like Delta to publicly support the idea of racial equality and criminal justice reform is because it gives politicians the cover they need to start driving these changes.
And that's what the pins about. (In my opinion)
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