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Old 01-09-2022, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT View Post
Fo’s can be replaced near ad lib. The operation can run with high FO attrition

captain (and lca) loss is the real problem. The only realistic way to staff those spots is people who stay 3+ years at the company.
That's where the company has their heads in the sand. They need to be more proactive than reactive, or we will rapidly be in a much worse place than we already are.
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Old 01-09-2022, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT View Post
Fo’s can be replaced near ad lib. The operation can run with high FO attrition

captain (and lca) loss is the real problem. The only realistic way to staff those spots is people who stay 3+ years at the company.
Yes and no. If we can get them in the door and that’s a big if. A couple of years back we lost nearly 70 FOs to another airline and wallah we get an instant retention bonus directly related to that.
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Old 01-09-2022, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle View Post
Yes and no. If we can get them in the door and that’s a big if. A couple of years back we lost nearly 70 FOs to another airline and wallah we get an instant retention bonus directly related to that.
It’s easy to stop FOs leaving for another regional, it’s much harder to stop them leaving for an LCC/Legacy.

Endeavor won’t have an issue hiring with flow, it’s training and replacing attrition that’s the issue, and it’s not even as bad at Endeavor as it is at other carriers.
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Old 01-09-2022, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles View Post
That's where the company has their heads in the sand. They need to be more proactive than reactive, or we will rapidly be in a much worse place than we already are.
idk I’m starting to think just ride the ship down is the best plan

they can be proactive (ie spend money) but the hiring volumes upstream just don’t pencil out. Half your captains get an offer from the big6 and it’s game over. Just a matter of how many months it takes.

meanwhile you turn out as many ASM as you can til the music stops
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Old 01-09-2022, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotBases View Post
It’s easy to stop FOs leaving for another regional, it’s much harder to stop them leaving for an LCC/Legacy.

Endeavor won’t have an issue hiring with flow, it’s training and replacing attrition that’s the issue, and it’s not even as bad at Endeavor as it is at other carriers.
Let’s say we can get them in the door. They need a lot less experience now to get on with a LCC/Legacy then they do to upgrade. Problem still exists. We are in a sinking ship and just hiring FOs ain’t going to keep us afloat anymore.
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Old 01-09-2022, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kforekyle View Post
Let’s say we can get them in the door. They need a lot less experience now to get on with a LCC/Legacy then they do to upgrade. Problem still exists. We are in a sinking ship and just hiring FOs ain’t going to keep us afloat anymore.
Yep, everybody in the same boat. Staff what you can, mainline takes the rest basically is what I’m seeing across the industry. 50 seaters at each legacy are on borrowed time for this reason. For interesting reading, look at how big DCI was in 2012 and 2008. It’s shrunk a long ways.
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Old 01-09-2022, 04:56 PM
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All you can do right now is ride the ship down. Hope you can jump off with a rescue boat before you get left in the water.
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Originally Posted by Zerosilver84 View Post
All you can do right now is ride the ship down. Hope you can jump off with a rescue boat before you get left in the water.
The good news is there are a crapton of boats with open seats looking for passengers.
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Old 01-09-2022, 05:53 PM
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The good news is there are a crapton of boats with open seats looking for passengers.
Nah, they're looking for captains.

I'll be here all night.
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Old 01-10-2022, 06:37 AM
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Nah, they're looking for captains.

I'll be here all night.
Oh snap

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