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Old 06-11-2022, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 13pro View Post
Unless you live in one of Endeavors bases, why would you come here? Go to Envoy
or PSA and make Delta pay. Why wouldn’t you go there?
It's a gamble to come here. Go to an AA and get paid well for sure. Come here and it could stay where it's at worst case or best case you could be an actual Delta pilot by the end of the year.

Pattern bargaining can continue or it can be stopped completely by DL. All they have to do is get that Swingline out.
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Old 06-11-2022, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Zerosilver84 View Post
Go to Envoy. This place should be last on your list. Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if some of our pilots on property less than a year are putting in apps at envoy. I've been here over 2.5 years and I'm considering a DEC position there (175k first year)....if I didn't have a jb interview coming up.
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Old 06-11-2022, 01:08 PM
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Jeeze the Envoy deal makes it a no brainer ! 🤦 I turned turned envoy down to take an endeavor spot. I’m calling them back to beg now. My buddy is in delta training currently thought it be fun to try to get there ASAP with endeavor but …. Not worth it now. Not even close . Better pay , much better flight benefits. Higher bonus and faster to Delta . 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦. For 92hr fo pay $145 capt first year who cares what base it is, and there working on AA seniority like we are. 145 s going away faster so no worries or fear of getting the 145 . They will not have a retention problem now
Stressing about getting the 200 assignments at 60$ hr. Stuck in atl or dtw Jeeze that deal is insane

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Old 06-11-2022, 09:26 PM
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Never go to the WO at the company you want to work for.
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Old 06-11-2022, 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyweight View Post
Never go to the WO at the company you want to work for.
^^^This^^^

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Old 06-12-2022, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Deltawb View Post
Jeeze the Envoy deal makes it a no brainer ! 🤦 I turned turned envoy down to take an endeavor spot. I’m calling them back to beg now. My buddy is in delta training currently thought it be fun to try to get there ASAP with endeavor but …. Not worth it now. Not even close . Better pay , much better flight benefits. Higher bonus and faster to Delta . 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦. For 92hr fo pay $145 capt first year who cares what base it is, and there working on AA seniority like we are. 145 s going away faster so no worries or fear of getting the 145 . They will not have a retention problem now
Stressing about getting the 200 assignments at 60$ hr. Stuck in atl or dtw Jeeze that deal is insane
Envoy and the other AA WOs are not “working on seniority”. That’s what this money is about. There is no seniority to be had. If there was, they wouldn’t have offered this money. And be wary of anything touching AA in a recession.
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Old 06-12-2022, 09:08 PM
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I created this account just to come on here and combat the disinformation and doom and gloom that is posted for people considering Endeavor.
Of all the info I got about 90% of the information I got from this forum lacked perspective. Meaning some of it was true but lacked additional info I needed to make an informed decision. Im not pointing fingers, nor am I here to argue with anyone. Simply, some perspective for anyone considering Endeavor. Especially For you young guys putting in apps, and I get it, it’s hard to get solid info until you are in the industry or at least on property. Just consider this forum may not have what your looking for or at least not 100% accurate.

For transparency I’m in new hire training and don’t have any line experience, however my experience with the company so far has been nothing but positive.

For all the new hires out there and the guys putting in apps, you can stop with the hand wringing. You cannot play 3D chess and have all the answers for two years down the road. You will have to choose a regional and “pay your dues” so to speak to get to a legacy. But there has never and I mean ever been a better time to be a regional pilot. Companies are literately competing to get you on property. That benefits everyone here.

A couple of points.
#1 if your a line pilot who is cruising through your Regional career fat dumb and happy, would you log on to some forum to complain about your regional? No, you wouldn’t. So perspective #1 is the majority of opinion you get from this forum comes from people salty enough to complain. You can find them here and in every military unit in the world. Every job has them really. No one I’ve met at the company takes this forum seriously. Find a buddy that works here or call pilot recruitment and get actual info. Don’t base your decision off the rumor mill.

#2 A regionals pay chart isn’t the only decision you need to consider. Do you know what a Non-compete clause is ? Do you know how it works? Did you know that in the three year window you work for some AA regionals when you quit you can’t work for another airline for 12 months? Others have a two year non compete. The point is you won’t just be able to jump to your dream mainline job when you get your hours and you may have to pay back some of your bonus. Something to consider especially since Endeavor doesn’t have a non compete at least for now for FO’s. So you only owe them for ATP if you leave within 12 months from hire. In this hiring boom that’s something to think about. How much money and seniority are you giving away in that year that you’d otherwise be at a major? Do you want to be under contract if you don’t have to be?

#3 Why are all the regionals coming out with bonus and pay increases? Because they need pilots and they need them for more than 12 months. Especially with training taking 4-8 months. So some companies are offering you captain pay at 750 hours. Now why would they do that? Could it be because they are losing FO’s to the legacies who hit that hour mark? And that reduces their CA pool and LCA pool? 1500 +750, you do the math. But those guys are getting hired at the majors. It’s just like the military, they do not offer a bonus unless it benefits them. Just two years of seniority is a lot at a major in this hiring boom. If someone were to offer you some free money, wouldn’t you ask if there is a catch? It’s the same, think of these gimmicks as a way of them asking you to stay at the regionals for 4 or 5 years and then it’ll make sense. The point is the money may only be there if you choose to stay longer than most regional guys would in this hiring environment.

#4 Endeavor hasn’t even had a chance to respond. Whatever the AA wholly owned have will be bargaining chips come negotiation time. I was once told chase quality of life and the money will come. From my vantage point that seems to be the case at any airline with ALPA representation. Republic got a pay raise not that long ago and I think the united regional did as well.

#5 You have to roll the dice somewhere. In my experience every regional I interviewed with was a gamble. On the base I would get and in the plane I would get and there was no way around it. The best advice I can give is to rack and stack them according to your own risk and reward scale and select the one with the acceptable amount of risk you are comfortable with. That said I don’t see many regionals that I would personally say are so bad I couldn’t work there. Are you flying? Yeah. Are you getting paid well? Yeah. Is there opportunity to move up in the company or other companies? Yeah. Anybody flying at a regional right now has a good shot to be at a major or LLC of their choice.

#6 Regional life is a stepping stone or a permanent job selection depending on the person. There are too many factors that go into a decision like choosing a regional, like pay, to bases, to aircraft, and even to class start dates. It can be overwhelming. That said I’ve looked at the seniority list at EDV and there are a lot of people who have been here a long time. My instrument instructor has been here for 4 and is upgrading to Capt. He just took a years worth of salary in the form of a bonus directly into his bank account and will likely flow in 2 maybe 3 years. Regardless he is pretty happy with EDV. So they must be doing something right and the seniority list has plenty of folks just like my instrument instructor.

#7 For now EDV still has positive space. Go non rev or jump seat with these 92% loads and you’ll see its a nice perk. Yeah I know it may end in OCT and no, no one knows if we will keep it past that.

#8 Take everything with a grain of skepticism you hear on this forum. My advice is for the new hires wondering if they are making the right choice. I have no line experience. I will be a two leg commute to NYC. Yes that will suck. But it seems pretty plausible I can domicile somewhere else in a year. By the time I get done with training I’m 5-8 months to that goal with a regional I may only be at for a year or maybe a little more. I got the plane I wanted, the 2nd base I wanted and pretty happy with the choice I made. I have some cons with this job for sure but many pros as well. Don’t kid yourself it’ll be that way anywhere. Yes 8 dollars an hour more would be great but that’s not enough that I have FOMO yet.

Good luck to you young guys pulling the trigger on a regional. I think you’ll be fine no matter where you go.
But whatever you do be skeptical of the guys that say WHY WOULD YOU COME HERE ? OMG it’s so bad here, it’s like a grog….blah…blah..blah. At least find out why they have that perspective.
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Old 06-13-2022, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Usrabbit View Post
For transparency I’m in new hire training and don’t have any line experience, however my experience with the company so far has been nothing but positive.
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So you have absolutely no experience with anything you’re talking about, but decided to come drop your knowledge about how people with years in the industry and at this company are wrong and you know better? Seriously, are you management trying to do damage control because you know how much trouble you’re in or some riddle rat who just hit atp mins and can’t wait to get out of training to pick up open time no matter what it pays “to benefit the operation,” because it has to be one after a post like that
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Old 06-13-2022, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Usrabbit View Post
I created this account just to come on here and combat the disinformation and doom and gloom that is posted for people considering Endeavor.
Of all the info I got about 90% of the information I got from this forum lacked perspective. Meaning some of it was true but lacked additional info I needed to make an informed decision. Im not pointing fingers, nor am I here to argue with anyone. Simply, some perspective for anyone considering Endeavor. Especially For you young guys putting in apps, and I get it, it’s hard to get solid info until you are in the industry or at least on property. Just consider this forum may not have what your looking for or at least not 100% accurate.

For transparency I’m in new hire training and don’t have any line experience, however my experience with the company so far has been nothing but positive.

For all the new hires out there and the guys putting in apps, you can stop with the hand wringing. You cannot play 3D chess and have all the answers for two years down the road. You will have to choose a regional and “pay your dues” so to speak to get to a legacy. But there has never and I mean ever been a better time to be a regional pilot. Companies are literately competing to get you on property. That benefits everyone here.

A couple of points.
#1 if your a line pilot who is cruising through your Regional career fat dumb and happy, would you log on to some forum to complain about your regional? No, you wouldn’t. So perspective #1 is the majority of opinion you get from this forum comes from people salty enough to complain. You can find them here and in every military unit in the world. Every job has them really. No one I’ve met at the company takes this forum seriously. Find a buddy that works here or call pilot recruitment and get actual info. Don’t base your decision off the rumor mill.

#2 A regionals pay chart isn’t the only decision you need to consider. Do you know what a Non-compete clause is ? Do you know how it works? Did you know that in the three year window you work for some AA regionals when you quit you can’t work for another airline for 12 months? Others have a two year non compete. The point is you won’t just be able to jump to your dream mainline job when you get your hours and you may have to pay back some of your bonus. Something to consider especially since Endeavor doesn’t have a non compete at least for now for FO’s. So you only owe them for ATP if you leave within 12 months from hire. In this hiring boom that’s something to think about. How much money and seniority are you giving away in that year that you’d otherwise be at a major? Do you want to be under contract if you don’t have to be?

#3 Why are all the regionals coming out with bonus and pay increases? Because they need pilots and they need them for more than 12 months. Especially with training taking 4-8 months. So some companies are offering you captain pay at 750 hours. Now why would they do that? Could it be because they are losing FO’s to the legacies who hit that hour mark? And that reduces their CA pool and LCA pool? 1500 +750, you do the math. But those guys are getting hired at the majors. It’s just like the military, they do not offer a bonus unless it benefits them. Just two years of seniority is a lot at a major in this hiring boom. If someone were to offer you some free money, wouldn’t you ask if there is a catch? It’s the same, think of these gimmicks as a way of them asking you to stay at the regionals for 4 or 5 years and then it’ll make sense. The point is the money may only be there if you choose to stay longer than most regional guys would in this hiring environment.

#4 Endeavor hasn’t even had a chance to respond. Whatever the AA wholly owned have will be bargaining chips come negotiation time. I was once told chase quality of life and the money will come. From my vantage point that seems to be the case at any airline with ALPA representation. Republic got a pay raise not that long ago and I think the united regional did as well.

#5 You have to roll the dice somewhere. In my experience every regional I interviewed with was a gamble. On the base I would get and in the plane I would get and there was no way around it. The best advice I can give is to rack and stack them according to your own risk and reward scale and select the one with the acceptable amount of risk you are comfortable with. That said I don’t see many regionals that I would personally say are so bad I couldn’t work there. Are you flying? Yeah. Are you getting paid well? Yeah. Is there opportunity to move up in the company or other companies? Yeah. Anybody flying at a regional right now has a good shot to be at a major or LLC of their choice.

#6 Regional life is a stepping stone or a permanent job selection depending on the person. There are too many factors that go into a decision like choosing a regional, like pay, to bases, to aircraft, and even to class start dates. It can be overwhelming. That said I’ve looked at the seniority list at EDV and there are a lot of people who have been here a long time. My instrument instructor has been here for 4 and is upgrading to Capt. He just took a years worth of salary in the form of a bonus directly into his bank account and will likely flow in 2 maybe 3 years. Regardless he is pretty happy with EDV. So they must be doing something right and the seniority list has plenty of folks just like my instrument instructor.

#7 For now EDV still has positive space. Go non rev or jump seat with these 92% loads and you’ll see its a nice perk. Yeah I know it may end in OCT and no, no one knows if we will keep it past that.

#8 Take everything with a grain of skepticism you hear on this forum. My advice is for the new hires wondering if they are making the right choice. I have no line experience. I will be a two leg commute to NYC. Yes that will suck. But it seems pretty plausible I can domicile somewhere else in a year. By the time I get done with training I’m 5-8 months to that goal with a regional I may only be at for a year or maybe a little more. I got the plane I wanted, the 2nd base I wanted and pretty happy with the choice I made. I have some cons with this job for sure but many pros as well. Don’t kid yourself it’ll be that way anywhere. Yes 8 dollars an hour more would be great but that’s not enough that I have FOMO yet.

Good luck to you young guys pulling the trigger on a regional. I think you’ll be fine no matter where you go.
But whatever you do be skeptical of the guys that say WHY WOULD YOU COME HERE ? OMG it’s so bad here, it’s like a grog….blah…blah..blah. At least find out why they have that perspective.
Too long for me to read sorry
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Old 06-13-2022, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Biscoff View Post
Too long for me to read sorry

Thought the same but did read 2 lines. It's bad here. Edv is now a middle of the pack regional. New hires and anyone waiting on a class.date should highly consider going to an AA WO
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