I can't speak for the Mec or the company. What can be said is that the company is optimistic in numbers, the Mec is conservative in numbers, and in the end folks look at numbers a bit differently. 17 lines is the pure revenue for the company, 21 planes is where the staffing comes from. Who will say what? Company- 17 lines of flying, union 21 planes. DL paid for 36 refurbs, without any factual evidence that would be the number of airframes desired. I do know hours are being turned away due to staffing by pretty much all the dci's, so it comes down to who can staff what right now.

Any idea what happens with those "turned away" hours?

As a reserve almost all of my assignments this month have been related to "we picked something up from XYZ Regional."

Just curious what happens to the DL/DCI when marketing hours can't be flown but passengers have bought tickets.

And why should once DCI carrier cover another DCI carrier's flights? "We will underbid all these flights and win the contract. Then, when we can't properly staff our awarded flying, all the other DCI carriers will do it for us."

You say that like we as pilots have a choice? It would help If pilots would go to an airline with the best contract and stop making lateral moves

I don't know why other dci are not able to fly. I am guessing staffing?
Since April we have flown almost 300 flights for other dci carriers. The bulk being compass and shuttle flights.

Coming on over? :)

Not to beat a dead horse but I will be starting class next month and want the DTW base. Does anyone have a suggestion 200 vs 900 to get the base? Also how is QOL between the two there?

200 or 900 you can hold both in dtw as a new guy.
200 will have more movement.

It would only be to satisfy my ego of saying I made it as a Delta pilot, which is not really a good reason. Other pilots who really need the job should get it in my place.

I'm in the market for an airplane, so I need to get my logbook in order for insurance.

But but but, who you work for makes you who you are.......

Thanks for the reply. How does changing equipment down the road go? Say I took the 200 for the first year to year and a half then decided to switch over to the 900?

There are no seatlocks currently meaning you could swap if you wanted to.

I agree that the 200 would most likely lead to more movement but this has not happened as of yet. Pure speculation at this point.

Kind of accurate...there is no lock going from the 200 to the 900 if someone wished to do that. But, if for any reason, someone wants to go to a lower paying position a la 900 to 200 then there is a aircraft lock for something like one or two years. The aircraft lock would not prevent someone from upgrading though. I only know this because I know someone who started on the 900 then bid the 200 to get to a DTW base but now that this persons seniority could hold the 900 they cannot go over since they are locked on the 200.

Is MSP in the -900 being awarded to new hires or is the -200 still your best bet for getting MSP out of training? I'm going to class next month and would appreciate any inside baseball.

MSP -200 would be granted immediately in all probability.

Durring my interview a few weeks ago they said at the time -900 MSP is the only combo new hires were not able to pick up right away.

Another gloomy day in aviation.

Care to elaborate?

Don't pay attention to him. He's been talking smack about Endeavor for a while now. Not sure what his issues are. It's just another good example of the lack of solidarity in aviation when you resort to wishing bad on other pilot groups

NIether, I have many good friends there that I wish despretly a healthy departure. There are some winners that should ride the last wave at 9e. Therefore, another gloomy day in aviation history. I guess one of the check marks on the delta app is being a company rat snitch. Who would have thought.

Lost me there, and my apologies if I mistook you for someone else

10/15 CJO's extended today in ATL; myself included in that 10!!! I'd be happy to share my experience if anyone has questions or concerns.

Congrats. Seemed like a pretty good week for SSP candidates.

FOs are nailing it at the SSP too.

Congrats! Welcome aboard. :)

Thank you, good sir!!! I estimate I'll be coming over some time next year as per the agreement. Looking forward to it though.

Are you AF?

How many were CAs?

From my info. they were all FOs, but a couple of them may have been previously downgraded captains from when we first started downgrading in Chpt 11

As in USAF??? Nope, not me. All civilian.

I am a displaced captain and I think there might have been one or two more. But Im pretty sure we are all current FOs.

Congrats, the question is now, are you to reupgrade for the pay, or stay an FO for the schedule, decisions, decisions... :D

Are a lot of guys that have a CJO staying in the right seat voluntarily? With the extremely long wait to get to delta once hired that seems like a huge financial loss.

4.5 years on reserve? And how many hours do you typically fly on reserve per month? Can you typically expect at least one trip per reserve or do you sit at home often?

And how many seniority numbers would a new hire FO in NY have to come up, before he is off reserve, how many juniors below needed?

Thanks man. Im gonna go for the money. Reserve in NYC will be cake for me. Plus every month there is going to be movement off the top. But I do love my current schedules!!!

They told us yesterday it will definitely be in 2016 before we show up for class. If we still had all of our longevity steps as FOs Id probably forgo the upgrade. But since we don't, Im going to go back to the left seat.

Are some really being told the wait is fall of 2016? :(

Its entirely possible. Ive flown with some captains who were hired middle of last year that either aren't there yet or just beginning to trickle out. The union seems to be trying to get more and more guys out each month. Im sure it's all dependent on hiring. You won't hear me complain though. The hard part is over.

Not including the successful candidates from this week, there are currently around 45 captains in queue to go in 2016, the company has stated they would like to evenly meter pilots to Delta next year at 15/month. So the 45 captains currently on the list have already accounted for jan/feb/March. There are approximately 50-60 captains waiting to interview in the next few months, based of past performance approx 60% of those captains with interviews in the next few months will get CJOs, so that will be an additional 30 or so captains that will be placed ahead of current first officers holding CJOs, so those 30 captains will then account for April and May. IF there are no more captains that interview then there are currently about 40 first officers with CJOs (again this does NOT include the folks from this week) those 40 first officers account for June/July/August, so a first officer who got hired this week is definitely looking at sept/October/November 2016. Remember tho, if more captains receive CJOs that will push first officers further and further down the list. These are just rough estimates. Still a great position to be in tho.