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Old 02-23-2016, 10:20 AM
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Or the fact that Endeavor's history is not good. The whole pinacolaba mess left a lot of people out to dry. Then with the rebrand...

The kool aid is strong everywhere... You are showing your greeness to this industry.
It's a completely different airline now, owned by Delta. Skywest's history isn't stellar either, especially with the Expressjet purchase. And for what it's worth I have heard more trash and rumors from Skywest than any other pilot group.
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Old 02-23-2016, 10:22 AM
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It's a completely different airline now, owned by Delta. Skywest's history isn't stellar either, especially with the Expressjet purchase. And for what it's worth I have heard more trash and rumors from Skywest than any other pilot group.
Lol... every regionals history sucks.

Every regional sucks. Only the tools at SkyWest start rumors and boy are there a lot of tools in this industry so get used to it...

I'm sure you have jump seated on SkyWest and know that most of us are not tools.
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Old 02-23-2016, 12:14 PM
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Or the fact that Endeavor's history is not good. The whole pinacolaba mess left a lot of people out to dry. Then with the rebrand...

The kool aid is strong everywhere... You are showing your greeness to this industry.
Delta is ruthless on how they treat their Contract feed. All they care about is their bottom line for their shareholders. What they did to Comair was ruthless, but very easy to do when you can move the airplanes to other regionals like ASA, SKYWEST, and GOJET. And they were all too happy to receive them. They tried the same with Pinnacle et all through bankruptcy, but because of Comair they were able to scare people into voting for very large concessions. There are varying degrees of suck and kool aid in the regional world, and it seems those that get too comfortable and try to make one their career will experience both eventually. The regional model is changing quickly and drastically. It will be interesting to compare in about 5 years.
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Old 02-23-2016, 12:54 PM
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Anyone know if the company will provide hotels in base during winter storms for people who drive to work? Not that I expect one, just curious if I should try asking.

I have a high speed tonight as well as tomorrow. The snowstorm in DTW is supposed to start when we land in the morning and continue through Thursday. I live in an area they are forecasting for 10 inches. I don't think I'll bother driving home and back out in it...

If not I'll just crash in the crew room.
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Old 02-23-2016, 01:00 PM
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Never hurts to ask!
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Old 02-23-2016, 01:44 PM
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Just call and ask. If they say no, call back in 10 mins.
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Old 02-23-2016, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by WMUFlyboy1 View Post
Anyone know if the company will provide hotels in base during winter storms for people who drive to work? Not that I expect one, just curious if I should try asking.

I have a high speed tonight as well as tomorrow. The snowstorm in DTW is supposed to start when we land in the morning and continue through Thursday. I live in an area they are forecasting for 10 inches. I don't think I'll bother driving home and back out in it...

If not I'll just crash in the crew room.
Talk to your base management if scheduling says no. They are usually very helpful in these situations. Also, you could book a room at the Clarion ahead of time and pay the $50.
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Old 02-23-2016, 02:17 PM
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Lol... every regionals history sucks.
Right on. For the life of me, I can't seem to understand why people still haven't grasped the concept that regional airlines are a nifty scam/racket created by mainline airlines back in the day for the sole purpose of lowering labor costs, which were the number one cost item for airlines before oil prices skyrocketed. The scam was purposely designed to take advantage of low time pilots and cabin crew who were lured into accepting crappy wages and an even crappier QOL with the understanding that they needed to make that sacrifice in order to move on to better remuneration & equipment once they did their time and "paid their dues".

As much as I despise the 750-1500 hr ATP rule that our honorable members of the circus called Congress enacted into law as it didn't really emphasize quality training as opposed to a random number of hours, I have to admit that it is finally starting to raise wages and rest periods, which was the other issue needed to be addressed following the Colgan crash.

The scam is up and I'm sure that regional airlines will eventually go away as they will be unable to recruit newbies who are willing to accept the horrendous ROI for their incurred training costs. Regional airlines may try to delay their demise by coming up with cadet schemes subsidized by their mainline partners, but in the end even that won't be enough to lure potential recruits. Mainlines might as well give it up now and accept the fact that they will have to start ponying up some of their record profits into assuring a steady pipeline of trained recruits and decent wages, just like successful airlines everywhere else around the world already do.

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Old 02-23-2016, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DreFlyer View Post
Right on. For the life of me, I can't seem to understand why people still haven't grasped the concept that regional airlines are a nifty scam/racket created by mainline airlines back in the day for the sole purpose of lowering labor costs, which were the number one cost item for airlines before oil prices skyrocketed. The scam was purposely designed to take advantage of low time pilots and cabin crew who were lured into accepting crappy wages and an even crappier QOL with the understanding that they needed to make that sacrifice in order to move on to better remuneration & equipment once they did their time and "paid their dues".

As much as I despise the 750-1500 hr ATP rule that our honorable members of the circus called Congress enacted into law as it didn't really emphasize quality training as opposed to a random number of hours, I have to admit that it is finally starting to raise wages and rest periods, which was the other issue needed to be addressed following the Colgan crash.

The scam is up and I'm sure that regional airlines will eventually go away as they will be unable to recruit newbies who are unwilling to accept the horrendous ROI for their incurred training costs. Regional airlines may try to delay their demise by coming up with cadet schemes subsidized by their mainline partners, but in the end even that won't be enough to lure potential recruits. Mainlines might as well give it up now and accept the fact that they will have to start ponying up some of their record profits into assuring a steady pipeline of trained recruits and decent wages, just like successful airlines everywhere else around the world already do.
As long as there are pilots willing to fly regional aircraft and the mainline partners profit from it, the regional airlines will exist. Take either away from the equation and they will go away. The reality is that even with record first officer pay and retention bonuses, the cost is no where near what it would cost under current mainline contracts. Hence the continued existence of regional airlines. Has a single regional even declared bankruptcy yet due to the pilot shortage? I see mergers and aircraft agreements being looked at but we are far from a collapse. Let the Ponzi Scheme continue so that the top can get rich and maybe a few at the bottom can someday make it to the top!
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Old 02-23-2016, 07:00 PM
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Is there a good resource for researching / comparing crashpads at JFK vs. DTW?

What is the $ range for own bed (NO hot rack please) at JFK vs. DTW?
What about own room?

If anyone has commuted to both for reserve, do you find it costing much more to "live" in JFK vs. DTW, during your days on?
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