Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
12-20-2016, 03:44 PM
#9381
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Originally Posted by msprj2
Wrong,
We want it on payscales.
All open time picked up would pay more, sick time, disability,,
401k match. If we wait all other possible improvements will wait also.
We want it on payscales.
All open time picked up would pay more, sick time, disability,,
401k match. If we wait all other possible improvements will wait also.
A big recruiting hindrance is the sunset date on bonuses, this would solve that. More importantly open time pickup, 401k match, sick time, and any extentions paid significantly higher. The pay rates can't come soon enough for me personally. The higher monthly take home pay would give me better flexibility in my budget. Just my opinion though. Always two sides of a coin.
12-20-2016, 03:52 PM
#9382
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
If you fly CODs, like your username suggests there is a good chance you will be taking a pay cut.
COD: Carrier Onboard Delivery
CDO: Continuous Duty Overnight
The guy is an old C-2 Greyhound driver not a high speeder.
12-20-2016, 04:14 PM
#9383
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Originally Posted by wiggy15
Have to agree....
A big recruiting hindrance is the sunset date on bonuses, this would solve that. More importantly open time pickup, 401k match, sick time, and any extentions paid significantly higher. The pay rates can't come soon enough for me personally. The higher monthly take home pay would give me better flexibility in my budget. Just my opinion though. Always two sides of a coin.
A big recruiting hindrance is the sunset date on bonuses, this would solve that. More importantly open time pickup, 401k match, sick time, and any extentions paid significantly higher. The pay rates can't come soon enough for me personally. The higher monthly take home pay would give me better flexibility in my budget. Just my opinion though. Always two sides of a coin.
Plus the likelihood that the pay rates will require more than 75 hours per month credit to actually break even means reserves, CDO, and even some line holders will actually take a cut. If you are lucky enough to bid a higer crediting line or can pick up lots of open time, good for you. For those of us in those other positions, why do we want to take a cut so you can be a higher paid open time slut?
12-20-2016, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
A big hindrance is all new hires being sent to New York with, at this point the only other real option an eventual FO seat in DTW (MSP is a pipe dream for a new hire with all the reductions in flying) then your only option for upgrade is New York (oh by the way it will soon be co-based, so no picking one airport over the other)
Plus the likelihood that the pay rates will require more than 75 hours per month credit to actually break even means reserves, CDO, and even some line holders will actually take a cut. If you are lucky enough to bid a higer crediting line or can pick up lots of open time, good for you. For those of us in those other positions, why do we want to take a cut so you can be a higher paid open time slut?
Plus the likelihood that the pay rates will require more than 75 hours per month credit to actually break even means reserves, CDO, and even some line holders will actually take a cut. If you are lucky enough to bid a higer crediting line or can pick up lots of open time, good for you. For those of us in those other positions, why do we want to take a cut so you can be a higher paid open time slut?
Again, im not saying theres no validity in staying with bonuses, but theres is also a lot of validity in going to pay rates. Long term, the money is better in rates imho.
We dont know the rates yet, so it may or may not be built to 75. If its not, express your displeasure with your union. As for NYC, thats a different conversation enitely. Everyone knows the issues with that, and I think well see some things nxt year to help offset the negatives. Unfortunately, someone has to fly NYC, and we have been given the flying, might as well make the best of it.
12-20-2016, 05:03 PM
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The pay rates have to increase $25.55 an hour in every position to match the bonus. If it falls short, say $20 hr. A captain will have to pickup around 40hrs of open time to make that up, however, that's more than 75 hrs of open time for an FO to pick up.
If you even drop one trip in the year, you can get burned.
For reference, my pay has increased $15hr since 2009.
If you even drop one trip in the year, you can get burned.
For reference, my pay has increased $15hr since 2009.
12-20-2016, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wiggy15
I dont pickup open time, but my average credit is around 80 regardless. For me, its gonna be a break even or slight cut, which im ok with for the 401k, sick leave, and potential to pickup a two day trip worth 1600 dollars as an FO....
Again, im not saying theres no validity in staying with bonuses, but theres is also a lot of validity in going to pay rates. Long term, the money is better in rates imho.
We dont know the rates yet, so it may or may not be built to 75. If its not, express your displeasure with your union. As for NYC, thats a different conversation enitely. Everyone knows the issues with that, and I think well see some things nxt year to help offset the negatives. Unfortunately, someone has to fly NYC, and we have been given the flying, might as well make the best of it.
Again, im not saying theres no validity in staying with bonuses, but theres is also a lot of validity in going to pay rates. Long term, the money is better in rates imho.
We dont know the rates yet, so it may or may not be built to 75. If its not, express your displeasure with your union. As for NYC, thats a different conversation enitely. Everyone knows the issues with that, and I think well see some things nxt year to help offset the negatives. Unfortunately, someone has to fly NYC, and we have been given the flying, might as well make the best of it.
12-20-2016, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by whoareyou311
Unfortunately for you it's going to be 85 hours each month just to break even with the bonus...that is simply not attainable for a majority of this pilot group regardless of seat. I am not ready to give that up yet...give me the bonus for an extended period.
They know to compete we don't flow so pay has to be better.
The bonus is great but rates are better for everyone. We won't accept a pay cut.
12-20-2016, 06:54 PM
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Nothing wrong with flying CDOs, but those who do tend to want to get paid min guarantee for minimal work. If you work a regular schedule, you may actually have to come to work more, but you'll still get min guarantee. As long as the hourly pay is equal to or greater than the current hourly rate plus $25.56, then it won't be a pay cut.
Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I don't agree at all and I'm glad the Union choose not to end the bonus early, no one knows how the pay rates are going to work. If you fly CODs, like your username suggests there is a good chance you will be taking a pay cut. Think about the bonus, you don't have to fly a single flight and you get paid $23K a year. It doesn't matter if you drop, take FMLA or fly the absolute minimum possible you still got the $23K. I don't know why people are looking forward to a possible pay cut.
12-20-2016, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by HighFlight
Nothing wrong with flying CDOs, but those who do tend to want to get paid min guarantee for minimal work. If you work a regular schedule, you may actually have to come to work more, but you'll still get min guarantee. As long as the hourly pay is equal to or greater than the current hourly rate plus $25.56, then it won't be a pay cut.
Either the rates are a minimum of $25.55/ hr more across the board or it's a no from me.
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