Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
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Yes. Almost every trip or at least a strong majority of it. I went two months bidding to fly with LCA, got bought off, then picked up for 150%. Credited around 140 both months with 15 and 17 days off.
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As someone who graduated an accredited part 61 course back in the day, with experience in a part 121 training department, I would argue the part 61 people are higher quality (in most cases) than the part 141 folks. Part 61 is more "you get what you put in" as opposed to part 141 which is generally "I'll be an airline pilot in 3 years." This entitlement mindset difference really starts to show when you get to Initial 121 training
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As someone who graduated an accredited part 61 course back in the day, with experience in a part 121 training department, I would argue the part 61 people are higher quality (in most cases) than the part 141 folks. Part 61 is more "you get what you put in" as opposed to part 141 which is generally "I'll be an airline pilot in 3 years." This entitlement mindset difference really starts to show when you get to Initial 121 training
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Please stop the pee-ing (because APC censors ****) contest. 61 is you get out of it what your instructor puts in to it. 141 is you are backed by a certified curriculum. So yes, some 61 are great but they are equivalent to a backwoods hunting lesson vs. quality instruction
Both have their pros and cons. They both have the ability to produce great pilots and not so great pilots.
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Huh? Are you saying Delta would drop the flow talk if mainline ALPA gave them scope for an additional 6 seats in a couple dozen more large RJs?
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As someone who graduated an accredited part 61 course back in the day, with experience in a part 121 training department, I would argue the part 61 people are higher quality (in most cases) than the part 141 folks. Part 61 is more "you get what you put in" as opposed to part 141 which is generally "I'll be an airline pilot in 3 years." This entitlement mindset difference really starts to show when you get to Initial 121 training
Excluding some places who have examining authority.
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In the end yes we are held to the same standards. I was simply stating what I have seen in my experience, but how dare I do so in today's sensitive society.
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Possibly, there is ZERO chance of getting any scope relief from the mainline pilot group, so management may try to use ALPA National, like in the early 90's, to end run it.
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No, you are missing the point. My post was in response to someone posting a link telling us to contact Congress to tell them not to lower the hours requirement. I do think there were several measures put in place as part of the same legislation, I think they should stay in place, and nowhere does it say that Congress trying to roll back those changes.
In response to your post, I absolutely agree that training is paramount, and that's what the statistics show. I would argue that a pilot with 250 hours who graduated from an AABI accredited school is a better pilot than someone with 1500 hours who went through a part 61 course at their home field and has now been teaching that course or flying for fun to build hours. Why? because I think it's not about hours, it's about quality of training.
To answer someone else's post, I wasn't a part 141 instructor, and I got my ATP before all of these changes came about.
In response to your post, I absolutely agree that training is paramount, and that's what the statistics show. I would argue that a pilot with 250 hours who graduated from an AABI accredited school is a better pilot than someone with 1500 hours who went through a part 61 course at their home field and has now been teaching that course or flying for fun to build hours. Why? because I think it's not about hours, it's about quality of training.
To answer someone else's post, I wasn't a part 141 instructor, and I got my ATP before all of these changes came about.
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Haha conversely to the dumbest opinion I've recently commented about, this one happens to be the post which draws the most humor neurochemicals from me.
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