A&P license
11-01-2014, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda2
Yes, because parents and others have discovered it is likely not the best bet for a career either! Lots of certificated A&P's doing other things. The knowledge gained is nice to have in your "tool box" however.
11-01-2014, 09:02 AM
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Exactly... The wage stagnation is a huge deal. I don't think the vast majority of A&P's are greedy, though would at least appreciate cost of living adjustments. Another example is that many heavy maintenance crews are comprised entirely of or heavily reliant on contractors. That pay is stagnant as well with Per Diem looked at as a large part of your compensation, instead of it being in addition to a descent wage. Something is wrong with this industry when one starts to see their buddies bailing out for jobs like HVAC technician, elevator repairman and such. This is also another situation of the traveling public flying on the backs of skilled workers. I don't think most folks are aware that much of the heavy aircraft maintenance is performed by bands of essentially migrant workers or being accomplished out of the country...
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11-04-2014, 10:28 AM
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If you attend a college for the A&P program many other industries are working to lure you away from aviation before you complete the program. Some other industries just pay better and have better benefits all around. Aviation is a$$ out in so many areas with nobody to blame but themselves.
11-04-2014, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bozobigtop
If you attend a college for the A&P program many other industries are working to lure you away from aviation before you complete the program. Some other industries just pay better and have better benefits all around. Aviation is a$$ out in so many areas with nobody to blame but themselves.
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11-07-2014, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by OceanicPilot
Thanks everyone,
There's some good advice in there. Seems like it would be a long road getting the experience part-time while balancing the family life at the same time. It sounds like it would be easier to wait until I retire and then go the community college route. It will give me something to do to get me out of the house....
There's some good advice in there. Seems like it would be a long road getting the experience part-time while balancing the family life at the same time. It sounds like it would be easier to wait until I retire and then go the community college route. It will give me something to do to get me out of the house....
Just another option, (and you'll get a pay check
)
11-07-2014, 02:37 PM
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Be aware that at one weekend a month, based on eight hours each day, it would take approximately 16 years to equal 18 months of full time employment (at 40 hours a week as a mechanic, necessary for either the airframe, or powerplant), or a combined 23 years to get the experience to apply for both ratings.
This is due to the FAA having defined the experience requirements spelled out in 14 CFR 65.77 as full time employment, based on a 40 hour work week.
eCFR ? Code of Federal Regulations
§65.77 Experience requirements.
Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator, of—
(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or
(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings.
This is due to the FAA having defined the experience requirements spelled out in 14 CFR 65.77 as full time employment, based on a 40 hour work week.
eCFR ? Code of Federal Regulations
§65.77 Experience requirements.
Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator, of—
(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or
(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings.
11-08-2014, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Be aware that at one weekend a month, based on eight hours each day, it would take approximately 16 years to equal 18 months of full time employment (at 40 hours a week as a mechanic, necessary for either the airframe, or powerplant), or a combined 23 years to get the experience to apply for both ratings.
This is due to the FAA having defined the experience requirements spelled out in 14 CFR 65.77 as full time employment, based on a 40 hour work week.
eCFR ? Code of Federal Regulations
§65.77 Experience requirements.
Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator, of—
(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or
(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings.
This is due to the FAA having defined the experience requirements spelled out in 14 CFR 65.77 as full time employment, based on a 40 hour work week.
eCFR ? Code of Federal Regulations
§65.77 Experience requirements.
Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator, of—
(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or
(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings.
http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v0...05_002rev1.pdf
http://www.aircraftcrewchief.com/MilReq.html
11-08-2014, 07:20 PM
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For the younger guys and gals the military/guard route seems good. I would recommend the military experience for anyone. I already have a career so, for me, it's just something I want to do for the sake of learning and my own experience.
11-08-2014, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by NotPart91
Have you seen this? Came down last month.
http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v0...05_002rev1.pdf
Active military and veterans, aircraft maintenance experience requirements
http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/8900.1/v0...05_002rev1.pdf
Active military and veterans, aircraft maintenance experience requirements
11-20-2014, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Earning your mechanic certificate takes 18 months if you want one rating (airframe, or powerplant), and 30 months if you want both ratings.
According to the FAA, your documented experience must be full time working on aircraft and performing the duties of mechanic:
§65.77 Experience requirements.
Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator, of—
(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or
(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings.
The requirement for that experience to be equivalent to full time employment has been established by the FAA Chief Legal Counsel in letters of interpretation.
That's 18 months of experience for the airframe, or 18 months of experience for the powerplant, or 30 months of combined experience for both. Then the three maintenance knowledge exams (General, Airframe, Powerplant), and a practical test after obtaining your FAA authorizations to test.
According to the FAA, your documented experience must be full time working on aircraft and performing the duties of mechanic:
§65.77 Experience requirements.
Each applicant for a mechanic certificate or rating must present either an appropriate graduation certificate or certificate of completion from a certificated aviation maintenance technician school or documentary evidence, satisfactory to the Administrator, of—
(a) At least 18 months of practical experience with the procedures, practices, materials, tools, machine tools, and equipment generally used in constructing, maintaining, or altering airframes, or powerplants appropriate to the rating sought; or
(b) At least 30 months of practical experience concurrently performing the duties appropriate to both the airframe and powerplant ratings.
The requirement for that experience to be equivalent to full time employment has been established by the FAA Chief Legal Counsel in letters of interpretation.
That's 18 months of experience for the airframe, or 18 months of experience for the powerplant, or 30 months of combined experience for both. Then the three maintenance knowledge exams (General, Airframe, Powerplant), and a practical test after obtaining your FAA authorizations to test.
I helped a friend of mine get his A&P after he assisted us in accomplishing 3 HFB320 Hansa jet D checks. Heck! it took us almost a Year to do all 3, Then they scrapped them for being too LOUD!!(stage 2)
But we Documented every Job he did and he was able to explain every process to the FAA Inspector who finally gave him authorization to take the written. He passed the written and then passed his practical by the inspector observing us replace 4 of the 6 CJ610's on the 3 airplanes and repack the Nose gear to satisfy an AD Note. He's had his license now for 30 years.
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