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Old 03-22-2017, 07:50 AM
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How will someone hired today flow in 5 years? You can't hire 60-70/mo and then only flow 15/mo to AA and tell everyone new that they will flow in 5 years. It's a reverse bell curve. Some lucky guys (who have already been on property for a few years) will flow in 5-6 years but the flow date will get farther and farther away with each new hire class.
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Old 03-22-2017, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Subpilot View Post
How will someone hired today flow in 5 years? You can't hire 60-70/mo and then only flow 15/mo to AA and tell everyone new that they will flow in 5 years. It's a reverse bell curve. Some lucky guys (who have already been on property for a few years) will flow in 5-6 years but the flow date will get farther and farther away with each new hire class.
Just use your basic common core attrition math. Duh!
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Old 03-22-2017, 02:12 PM
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Absolutely 100% agree. Call me a salesman if you want. But as mentioned above, the proof is in the pudding. 2 year upgrades WILL be here this year. 5 year flow to AA is a reality. If I'm selling, at least I'm selling something everyone is clamoring to buy.
Can you please share with us how you are coming up with that math? Yes we're getting strong new hire numbers. Yes upgrade time is plummeting. But that doesn't change the fact that per the contract Envoy slows the flow over time to a lower and lower number. Nothing has changed in the contract language to drop the projected 6 year figure, that we may eventually see down the line, to 5 years. Is 5 years based on the flow increasing to 40/month? Which all of you salesmen were saying was going to happen starting this past January?
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Subpilot View Post
How will someone hired today flow in 5 years? You can't hire 60-70/mo and then only flow 15/mo to AA and tell everyone new that they will flow in 5 years. It's a reverse bell curve. Some lucky guys (who have already been on property for a few years) will flow in 5-6 years but the flow date will get farther and farther away with each new hire class.
Please cite your reference for "15/mo".
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Old 03-22-2017, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mdot View Post
Please cite your reference for "15/mo".
Per the contract, it drops to 35% of AA classes, metered to 15/month after the Protected Pilot group. But you won't be done with the PP group until 2020.
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Old 04-26-2017, 03:11 PM
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What's Envoys CA upgrade time lookin like these days?????
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Old 04-26-2017, 03:14 PM
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What's Envoys CA upgrade time lookin like these days?????

Probably the same as a month ago. Read above.
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Old 04-26-2017, 03:45 PM
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I thought all 6000 Envoy threads were supposed to be in the new and improved sub-forum.
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Old 04-26-2017, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Geardownflaps30 View Post
Probably the same as a month ago. Read above.
How about now has it changed
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Originally Posted by MantisToboggan View Post
How about now has it changed
Standby. Have to run a "sphincter test" first.
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