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GSM2 05-12-2017 02:24 PM

Bonus repayment
 
I've been offered a corporate gig and was wondering if anyone knows somebody or has personally had to pay back the bonuses.

SilentLurker 05-12-2017 04:35 PM

Bonus repayment
 

Originally Posted by GSM2 (Post 2362792)
I've been offered a corporate gig and was wondering if anyone knows somebody or has personally had to pay back the bonuses.


No, but I do recommend the simple approach. Hope for the best, but plan & budget to give back NH Bonus IF contacted verbally or notified in writing.

cali2797 05-12-2017 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by GSM2 (Post 2362792)
I've been offered a corporate gig and was wondering if anyone knows somebody or has personally had to pay back the bonuses.

They will collect, plan on paying it back.

use2fly 05-13-2017 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by cali2797 (Post 2362933)
They will collect, plan on paying it back.

As you should

3GreenKSNA 05-13-2017 08:20 AM

Having flown both corporate and 121, you can keep the corporate. I was miserable.

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TeeRainPULup 05-13-2017 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA (Post 2363164)
Having flown both corporate and 121, you can keep the corporate. I was miserable.

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This^^^^ corporate blows

bigtime209 05-13-2017 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup (Post 2363242)
This^^^^ corporate blows

I concur. It has some pros, but far more cons. I don't miss it one bit.

ColdAndDark 05-15-2017 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2363279)
I concur. It has some pros, but far more cons. I don't miss it one bit.


Agreed, unless Walmart or the like called you I would hesitate to make the leap. I spent the last few years at corporate and on call 24/7 is no way to live.

Bruno82 05-16-2017 05:58 AM

I wouldn't take the corporate job at this point in the industry. I was hired in 2006 at Envoy and it wouldn't be too long now before I would flow if I had stayed. I took a corporate job in 2012 after getting displaced from CA. The past 5 years has had some good points and some bad in the corporate world. However, it's hurt my career progression. I'd stay at Envoy. I'm even thinking of coming back.

TeeRainPULup 05-16-2017 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Bruno82 (Post 2364368)
I wouldn't take the corporate job at this point in the industry. I was hired in 2006 at Envoy and it wouldn't be too long now before I would flow if I had stayed. I took a corporate job in 2012 after getting displaced from CA. The past 5 years has had some good points and some bad in the corporate world. However, it's hurt my career progression. I'd stay at Envoy. I'm even thinking of coming back.

^^^ if you read this and STILL leave your a dumbass. Also, I have heard QOL flying for Walmart sucks and you would have to live in Rogers Ark. and if it's by any chance McLane Company in Temple with their old Lear 60's I flew for them and I would steer clear. It's a horrible company and the chief pilot is a prick.

Eject 05-16-2017 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup (Post 2364412)
^^^ if you read this and STILL leave your a dumbass.

Actually, "you're" the dumbass!

3GreenKSNA 05-16-2017 11:19 AM

I was hired at Eagle in 2011 left in 2012 for a corporate gig. I didn't care for it at all and came back.

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kcg003 05-16-2017 12:26 PM

I'll go ahead and dissent with all the naysayers. I had a great corp job for years before coming to Envoy, had a great schedule and QOL, which IMO I'll never have another job that beat it regarding those two issues, took a pay cut too. BUT the income ceiling was low and really was a job better suited for guys who were retired, not a young guy trying to grow his career.
But I can tell you if I had been making more $$ I wouldn't have left that job. Now job security probably the airlines is where it's at. We all have to find what's best for us. If I come across another corp job that pays well and has a better QOL than commuting I'll give it serious consideration, even if it means forfeiting the chance of making 200k+. But those jobs are far and few between.

highfarfast 05-16-2017 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by kcg003 (Post 2364538)
I'll go ahead and dissent with all the naysayers. I had a great corp job for years before coming to Envoy, had a great schedule and QOL, which IMO I'll never have another job that beat it regarding those two issues, took a pay cut too. BUT the income ceiling was low and really was a job better suited for guys who were retired, not a young guy trying to grow his career.
But I can tell you if I had been making more $$ I wouldn't have left that job. Now job security probably the airlines is where it's at. We all have to find what's best for us. If I come across another corp job that pays well and has a better QOL than commuting I'll give it serious consideration, even if it means forfeiting the chance of making 200k+. But those jobs are far and few between.

Your story sounds like mine. If it weren't for the upheaval of just starting in the airline world, I'd still be sitting happy in my last corp job. HAPPY! But given the forecast turnover, figured I'd regret not putting forth the effort of taking advantage of the situation.

E175 Driver 05-17-2017 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA (Post 2364500)
I was hired at Eagle in 2011 left in 2012 for a corporate gig. I didn't care for it at all and came back.

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Ill be your CA soon!

bigtime209 05-17-2017 04:09 AM

LOL^^^I love this guy

TeeRainPULup 05-17-2017 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by Eject (Post 2364492)
Actually, "you're" the dumbass!

You must have been ejected from Envoy and now live on call 24/7 in the charter/corporate world. I'm sorry. It's ok they will sell your airplane soon don't worry, then you can go to Mesa. I'm sure your going to comeback on here and say you don't know me and how dare you say something like that about me and honestly I don't give two ****s.

Inop2 05-17-2017 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by GSM2 (Post 2362792)
I've been offered a corporate gig and was wondering if anyone knows somebody or has personally had to pay back the bonuses.

121 is not for everyone.

Eject 05-21-2017 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by TeeRainPULup (Post 2364829)
You must have been ejected from Envoy and now live on call 24/7 in the charter/corporate world. I'm sorry. It's ok they will sell your airplane soon don't worry, then you can go to Mesa. I'm sure your going to comeback on here and say you don't know me and how dare you say something like that about me and honestly I don't give two ****s.

No, actually I'm just going to laugh and say that YOU'RE still a dumbass because you still don't know the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE.

flysooner9 05-25-2017 09:30 AM

I'm in a similar boat as the others. Hired by Eagle in 2011 left for corporate in 2014. My QOL is awesome I fly 3-4 times a month with very few overnights. However as someone mentioned my pay ceiling is relatively low. It has also hurt my overall progression because I've only been flying 200 hours a year the last 3 years. Now because of that I'm looking at having to do some more time at a regional before I can hit the legacy jackpot.

However I'd probably do the same thing if I had to do it over. At the time I left Eagle I had never sniffed a line. (3 years on RSV) 3 different bases and 2 planes. When I left I tripled my pay and would just now be equaling what I make now if I stayed at Eagle.

GSM2 05-25-2017 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2369387)
I'm in a similar boat as the others. Hired by Eagle in 2011 left for corporate in 2014. My QOL is awesome I fly 3-4 times a month with very few overnights. However as someone mentioned my pay ceiling is relatively low. It has also hurt my overall progression because I've only been flying 200 hours a year the last 3 years. Now because of that I'm looking at having to do some more time at a regional before I can hit the legacy jackpot.

However I'd probably do the same thing if I had to do it over. At the time I left Eagle I had never sniffed a line. (3 years on RSV) 3 different bases and 2 planes. When I left I tripled my pay and would just now be equaling what I make now if I stayed at Eagle.

The QOL is where I'm looking too. And this isn't a bottom shelf offer either. Lear 75s and Gulfstreams. The pay starts at 2nd year American FO pay. I believe the "shortage" is starting to effect the low and mid level corporate jobs like this one. It's the only reason I think they even interviewed me with the hours I have. (1050) Either way I go though, I'm in a good position I think.

SkipperBaloo 05-25-2017 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by GSM2 (Post 2369629)
The QOL is where I'm looking too. And this isn't a bottom shelf offer either. Lear 75s and Gulfstreams. The pay starts at 2nd year American FO pay. I believe the "shortage" is starting to effect the low and mid level corporate jobs like this one. It's the only reason I think they even interviewed me with the hours I have. (1050) Either way I go though, I'm in a good position I think.

If you leave after 1 year, then do you get to keep a pro-rated amount or are you forking it all back over?

GSM2 05-25-2017 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by SkipperBaloo (Post 2369635)
If you leave after 1 year, then do you get to keep a pro-rated amount or are you forking it all back over?

Half after a year, all of it the first year is what the contract we sign states.

lakehouse 05-26-2017 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2369387)
I'm in a similar boat as the others. Hired by Eagle in 2011 left for corporate in 2014. My QOL is awesome I fly 3-4 times a month with very few overnights. However as someone mentioned my pay ceiling is relatively low. It has also hurt my overall progression because I've only been flying 200 hours a year the last 3 years. Now because of that I'm looking at having to do some more time at a regional before I can hit the legacy jackpot.

However I'd probably do the same thing if I had to do it over. At the time I left Eagle I had never sniffed a line. (3 years on RSV) 3 different bases and 2 planes. When I left I tripled my pay and would just now be equaling what I make now if I stayed at Eagle.

You where in my new hire class, how did you never hold a line? I never really sat reserve.....if you had displaced off the atr to the emj you'd have been a line holder same with Ord crj, I'm curious your path

Also you'd be about 24 months from AA if you had stayed and a captain close to holding a line in DFW right now.

babs 05-26-2017 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2369781)
You where in my new hire class, how did you never hold a line? I never really sat reserve.....if you had displaced off the atr to the emj you'd have been a line holder same with Ord crj, I'm curious your path

Also you'd be about 24 months from AA if you had stayed and a captain close to holding a line in DFW right now.

This may all be true, except the part about close to holding a line. They would be near the bottom of the reserve list as a CA in DFW right now.

lakehouse 05-26-2017 04:44 AM


Originally Posted by babs (Post 2369795)
This may all be true, except the part about close to holding a line. They would be near the bottom of the reserve list as a CA in DFW right now.

They'd be 990 system seniority, they'd be middle of RSV list and if you look at the flow plan DFW EMJ CA by fall will be 2014-2015. There's a boat load of DFW emj guys in qu or about to start. I stand behind my claim they would be close to holding a line in DFW.

go skers 05-26-2017 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2369805)
They'd be 990 system seniority, they'd be middle of RSV list and if you look at the flow plan DFW EMJ CA by fall will be 2014-2015. There's a boat load of DFW emj guys in qu or about to start. I stand behind my claim they would be close to holding a line in DFW.

Well within reason. Oct 2010 hire has a line in DFW for June. Less than six months in seat from upgrade to off reserve as well. Like you said, it's going to move quick. 2014 qualified upgrades start training next month and should be on the line by late summer or early fall

flysooner9 05-26-2017 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2369781)
You where in my new hire class, how did you never hold a line? I never really sat reserve.....if you had displaced off the atr to the emj you'd have been a line holder same with Ord crj, I'm curious your path

Also you'd be about 24 months from AA if you had stayed and a captain close to holding a line in DFW right now.

Second youngest in class. Got stuck with MIA ATR. Was the last person on the Rsv list for 6 months till it closed. Got displaced to DFW ATR. Then displaced to ORD CRJ. In hindsight I should have displaced to DFW EMJ. However at the time the 700 was doing ALOT of OKC flying so I went for the prospect of a fair amount of overnights at home. Which I actually did get a good amount of.

The good thing is im fairly confident I'll be at a major in 24 months anyway. Just have to decide if I want to stay put and wait till they eventually start taking lower time guys or go to a place hiring DEC's or go somewhere as an FO again.

E175 Driver 05-30-2017 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by flysooner9 (Post 2369934)
Second youngest in class. Got stuck with MIA ATR. Was the last person on the Rsv list for 6 months till it closed. Got displaced to DFW ATR. Then displaced to ORD CRJ. In hindsight I should have displaced to DFW EMJ. However at the time the 700 was doing ALOT of OKC flying so I went for the prospect of a fair amount of overnights at home. Which I actually did get a good amount of.

The good thing is im fairly confident I'll be at a major in 24 months anyway. Just have to decide if I want to stay put and wait till they eventually start taking lower time guys or go to a place hiring DEC's or go somewhere as an FO again.



I'd stay put. You keep bouncing around and will never progress. Go for the E175 if you can.

flysooner9 05-30-2017 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2371375)
I'd stay put. You keep bouncing around and will never progress. Go for the E175 if you can.

I left Eagle in 2014.... also none of that "bouncing around" was by choice. You guys that have been hired in the last 2-3 years have no idea how good you have it.


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