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TangoMic 09-07-2017 01:41 PM

Commuting Questions > Jumpseat Guide
 
If an airline does not show up on ALPA's Jumpseat Guide list does that mean that we (Envoy / American) do not have any agreements with them? I travel from a place without a lot of traditional direct flight options to DFW (only summer seasonal on American).

All of the following non traditional options have direct flights to DFW though: Cathay Pacific, Korean Airlines, Cargolux Airlines International, Atlas Air, Nippon Cargo or EVA Air. If some or any of these are commuting possibilities for me then my commute suddenly becomes ALOT easier. Trouble is, none of the above are listed on ALPA Jumpseat Guide from what I can tell and I don't know if I can or how to list with them.

So...are any of these players, and if so, how do I list with them...at the gate and one hour before?

Any help is greatly appreciated, and as always, thanks in advance!

leica typ240 09-07-2017 02:01 PM

...i believe you have to purchase a ZED fair.

it's under department>travel>myidtravel
then click on booking/listing

prices vary

hope this helps

Deadleg 09-08-2017 04:00 AM

What if the travel website shows you not eligible for other airlines? Is this a probation thing or an oversight when they created my account?

IDIOTPILOT 09-08-2017 05:13 AM

Atlas Air is on the ALPA jumpseat guide.

Pcruz28 09-08-2017 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by Deadleg (Post 2427028)
What if the travel website shows you not eligible for other airlines? Is this a probation thing or an oversight when they created my account?

It activates 6 months after your hire date.

bigtime209 09-08-2017 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by Deadleg (Post 2427028)
What if the travel website shows you not eligible for other airlines? Is this a probation thing or an oversight when they created my account?

And just to be clear, you are not eligible for ZED fares on other airlines until you hit the six month mark. You can still jumpseat on other airlines nearly right away, just as soon as you get setup in CASS.

Boogerface 09-08-2017 08:03 AM

Disregard.

TangoMic 09-09-2017 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2427055)
And just to be clear, you are not eligible for ZED fares on other airlines until you hit the six month mark. You can still jumpseat on other airlines nearly right away, just as soon as you get setup in CASS.

So is ZED so expensive that I'll never want to use it, or is the cost nominal (say less than 100 bucks)? Clearly I'd rather use a free jump seat, but if I can't get there easily without ZED and its not that expensive I might consider using it more...

bigtime209 09-09-2017 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by TangoMic (Post 2427652)
So is ZED so expensive that I'll never want to use it, or is the cost nominal (say less than 100 bucks)? Clearly I'd rather use a free jump seat, but if I can't get there easily without ZED and its not that expensive I might consider using it more...

There's no advantage for a pilot to use a ZED. That is for non-crew employees or family members. You won't have any extra benefits or priority by using a ZED. It's a benefit for those who don't have JS privileges. Domestically, it's usually somewhere in the ballpark of $60ish or so per leg depending on the route.

Jersdawg 09-09-2017 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by TangoMic (Post 2427652)
So is ZED so expensive that I'll never want to use it, or is the cost nominal (say less than 100 bucks)? Clearly I'd rather use a free jump seat, but if I can't get there easily without ZED and its not that expensive I might consider using it more...

Traveling internationally on a non-US carrier is when you would use a ZED - If you take Korean air to Seoul for example.

leica typ240 09-09-2017 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by TangoMic (Post 2427652)
So is ZED so expensive that I'll never want to use it, or is the cost nominal (say less than 100 bucks)? Clearly I'd rather use a free jump seat, but if I can't get there easily without ZED and its not that expensive I might consider using it more...

it depends on the carrier you are using. outbound from US, cost around $95, inbound to US $130 - $190(depending on country)



Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2427657)
There's no advantage for a pilot to use a ZED. That is for non-crew employees or family members. You won't have any extra benefits or priority by using a ZED.


this is all correct, i only offered ZED as an option because he mentioned international carriers. the only info i know about traveling on these carriers is via ZED fair

MD-11Loader 09-09-2017 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by TangoMic (Post 2426760)
If an airline does not show up on ALPA's Jumpseat Guide list does that mean that we (Envoy / American) do not have any agreements with them? I travel from a place without a lot of traditional direct flight options to DFW (only summer seasonal on American).

All of the following non traditional options have direct flights to DFW though: Cathay Pacific, Korean Airlines, Cargolux Airlines International, Atlas Air, Nippon Cargo or EVA Air. If some or any of these are commuting possibilities for me then my commute suddenly becomes ALOT easier. Trouble is, none of the above are listed on ALPA Jumpseat Guide from what I can tell and I don't know if I can or how to list with them.

So...are any of these players, and if so, how do I list with them...at the gate and one hour before?

Any help is greatly appreciated, and as always, thanks in advance!

You aren't going to be able to jumpseat on CV, CX, KE, etc. They are not Us carriers and therefore don't have CASS, nor is their any jumpseat reciprocity. Welcome to the commuting life, it's time to learn to be creative. Don't always go for non-stop flights. Connect if you have to in the network. I know a lot of DFW to LGA commuters will connect in places like BNA, ORF, or PIT. You'll figure it out.

TangoMic 09-12-2017 01:33 PM

[/QUOTE]Don't always go for non-stop flights. Connect if you have to in the network. You'll figure it out.[/QUOTE]

I should have been a little more direct with my post - I'm commuting out of Anchorage.

Its not that I haven't been able to figure out how to commute through Seattle, MSP, MEM or PDX to get to DFW - the trouble is that it turns a 6 hour commute into a 12 - 14 hour commute because everything leaves AK as a redeye. Worse yet, if I have an early show I need to show up a full day early when I have a second leg I (not the case with the direct flight).

If I could jumpseat on KAL from ANC direct to DFW then that would be a game changer for me. I'll look into ATLAS - I may have to show up in person at their office to figure out how to learn their schedules and procedures, but it'll save a lot of headaches if it works. FedEx treated me great, but the commute from MEM to DFW was full of commuters and it was hard to get to DFW by 1400 after leaving Anchorage at 8pm the night before. The struggle is real :cool:

BrewCity 09-12-2017 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by TangoMic (Post 2429206)
I should have been a little more direct with my post - I'm commuting out of Anchorage.

Its not that I haven't been able to figure out how to commute through Seattle, MSP, MEM or PDX to get to DFW - the trouble is that it turns a 6 hour commute into a 12 - 14 hour commute because everything leaves AK as a redeye. Worse yet, if I have an early show I need to show up a full day early when I have a second leg I (not the case with the direct flight).

If I could jumpseat on KAL from ANC direct to DFW then that would be a game changer for me. I'll look into ATLAS - I may have to show up in person at their office to figure out how to learn their schedules and procedures, but it'll save a lot of headaches if it works. FedEx treated me great, but the commute from MEM to DFW was full of commuters and it was hard to get to DFW by 1400 after leaving Anchorage at 8pm the night before. The struggle is real :cool:


Atlas Air flight schedule: http://www.atlasair.com/travel/schedule.asp

TangoMic 09-13-2017 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by BrewCity (Post 2429320)

Thanks, Brew!

havick206 09-13-2017 07:54 AM

Atlas are great to jump seat with, especially heading overseas on their long routes.


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