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Subpilot 11-03-2017 09:32 AM

Flow is being violated for November
 
I heard that with only one class of new hires for November at AA, Envoy is sending over less that 25 flow throughs. Only 19 went in September (another violation), due to a canceled second class. So now we have a trend of flow being violated BELOW metering for 2 months in a row. Combine that with no classes at all for October and December and what do you got... constipation.

TheRaven 11-03-2017 09:56 AM

Better to have Flow violated than your sphincter in a Prison shower.

Have the Union push for seniority numbers to be issued, then date of Flow is less important.

ORDinary 11-03-2017 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Subpilot (Post 2459960)
I heard that with only one class of new hires for November at AA, Envoy is sending over less that 25 flow throughs. Only 19 went in September (another violation), due to a canceled second class. So now we have a trend of flow being violated BELOW metering for 2 months in a row. Combine that with no classes at all for October and December and what do you got... constipation.

AA had one class in September, with 38 pilots. We got 50% of that class. That isn't a violation. Metering is applicable as a way for Envoy to send less than 50% when AA has large classes, not the opposite. If your "interpretation" of metering was correct, the company would have been in violation of flow pretty much every month since flow began. Probably somebody would have noticed by now if that was the case.

AA's first class in November is 11/7. We won't know if the company has violated the flow for November until the end of the month. The original plan was that they would have two November classes of 40-something each, and that we would have 25 total flows for the month.

Subpilot 11-03-2017 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2459973)
AA had one class in September, with 38 pilots. We got 50% of that class. That isn't a violation. Metering is applicable as a way for Envoy to send less than 50% when AA has large classes, not the opposite. If your "interpretation" of metering was correct, the company would have been in violation of flow pretty much every month since flow began. Probably somebody would have noticed by now if that was the case.

AA's first class in November is 11/7. We won't know if the company has violated the flow for November until the end of the month. The original plan was that they would have two November classes of 40-something each, and that we would have 25 total flows for the month.

If you look at the contract then you will find this little gem, which is applicable.

Letter 12-04 section 3.d.
“When AA is hiring, Eagle shall release a minimum of 25 Eagle pilots per month who have accepted pilot positions at AA...”

As for November, last I heard was one big class of 80 something which was discussed on the all-pilot teleconference. If that’s changed then I wasn’t informed. I want to be wrong on this.

HardLemonade 11-03-2017 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Subpilot (Post 2459960)
I heard that with only one class of new hires for November at AA, Envoy is sending over less that 25 flow throughs. Only 19 went in September (another violation), due to a canceled second class. So now we have a trend of flow being violated BELOW metering for 2 months in a row. Combine that with no classes at all for October and December and what do you got... constipation.

Brojangles...someone has been feeding you bad info. 25/month is what the company flows when AA has 50 or more new hires. Anything less than 50 new hires per month means we flow 50% of that new number.

Let me put it like this: say your libido can only handle 3 beeaches in the sack at a time...or 50% of however many hoes you pick up in a night. If you drag home 6 senoritas you can only take 3 into the bedroom..the other 3 you have to pack into an Uber.

If you bring home only 3 ladies..you better hope one of them is a midget, because you're only banging 1.5 of them. Not all 3.

kaputt 11-03-2017 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by HardLemonade (Post 2459985)
Brojangles...someone has been feeding you bad info. 25/month is what the company flows when AA has 50 or more new hires. Anything less than 50 new hires per month means we flow 50% of that new number.

Let me put it like this: say your libido can only handle 3 beeaches in the sack at a time...or 50% of however many hoes you pick up in a night. If you drag home 6 senoritas you can only take 3 into the bedroom..the other 3 you have to pack into an Uber.

If you bring home only 3 ladies..you better hope one of them is a midget, because you're only banging 1.5 of them. Not all 3.

I come to the Envoy forum just to read this stuff. Always well done :D

pilotguy7 11-03-2017 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by HardLemonade (Post 2459985)
Brojangles...someone has been feeding you bad info. 25/month is what the company flows when AA has 50 or more new hires. Anything less than 50 new hires per month means we flow 50% of that new number.

Let me put it like this: say your libido can only handle 3 beeaches in the sack at a time...or 50% of however many hoes you pick up in a night. If you drag home 6 senoritas you can only take 3 into the bedroom..the other 3 you have to pack into an Uber.

If you bring home only 3 ladies..you better hope one of them is a midget, because you're only banging 1.5 of them. Not all 3.

Greatest answer to a flow EVER!!!! I want a midget now!!!

E175 Driver 11-03-2017 10:47 AM

At least we are flowing. Better than 0.

GodIsGood 11-03-2017 11:53 AM

Even though I think it is bull that the company is metering, there is no violation currently happening. Will the mods please delete this thread?

Incontinentius 11-03-2017 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by TheRaven (Post 2459970)
Better to have Flow violated than your sphincter in a Prison shower.

Have the Union push for seniority numbers to be issued, then date of Flow is less important.

Walk off the job and demand seniority numbers.

That's a much better attitude.

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