CRJ or ERJ
 

I'm on old guy, late 40s, but new to this industry. RTP guy. Originally thought I was most likely a shoe in for 175s because of my age. Now that it's been decided that we are third class citizens, that is no longer the case. Looking at 145s or CRJ. Looking for Pros and Cons of each.

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If you pick CRJ you will be based at ORD until you upgrade. FO's can change bases, but not metal. Since the only CRJ base is ORD...
To clarify, I'm not an Envoy pilot but we were told this during the interview.

145 is the obvious choice. It's in every base, it's not going anywhere, reserve time on it is super short. Movement is really quick if you want Dallas or Miami. When they open the next base it will probably be a 145 base first. It just makes sense. I'd take it over the 175 at the moment.

Is the reserve time longer on CRJ than 145?

What happens to CRJ FOs if/when the aircraft are transferred?

Yes, it's a shrinking fleet. Thus far nothing has happened to the FOs. They are still hiring into that fleet at a low rate. But every month there will be less lines. Eventually they my get displaced, upgrade might happen first.

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How short is super short .. especially compared to the E175 . . assume DFW for both?

Is it just me or does anyone else get annoyed when people are concerned what reserve times are?

Reserve times are going to be subject to new hires after you get hired. Since we are hiring at record numbers then reserve times will be extremely short.

Erroneous, the 145 will slowly go away and will be replaced with the far superior 175 to have an all E175 fleet at Envoy. This is exciting as you will be better prepared for when you flow to AA

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DFW has the longest reserves in the system for both airframes. Like 5 ish months on the 145

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WOW and thats on the 145 . . so safe to say 6-8 on the 175? WHEW! (I know, there were LOTS of folks that measured reserve in YEARS . . . Not Months!
thank you for the info.

The CRJ is more advanced than the jungle Barbie jet.

Yeah, worst case scenario is really pretty awesome. In Chicago on the 145 people are getting a line on their first bid

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Can't Go Wrong...
 

Plan what you will, it will all change by the time you hit the line :-)

Some points of interest.

*Don't discount getting the 175. the extra $5k for the CRJ and 145 draw some people away. Envoy wants an all 175 fleet and continues to grow that fleet.
*Upgrade bids to the left seat with base of choice are awarded from the top of the seniority list. When that list runs dry, displacement to the left seat and assigned base starts at the bottom of seniority list. Depending on your qualifying time, you may be displaced before really enjoying any time on whatever aircraft you choose.
*CRJ training is a much small group of pilots so you get to know each other very well.
*You may not get a choice (either because CRJ is not offered on your hire date, or more senior pilots take it).
*145 training group is much larger giving you more variety of pilots to choose from to buddy up with doe studying, sim partners...
*CURRENTLY, 145 fleet is largest and at all bases. I assume that would give you much more mobility to jump to another base if it goes junior or otherwise gives you preferred seniority at that base.
*Play the numbers game during the bid. If when your bid number is up 75% of 175 are gone, 25% of CRJs are gone, and 50% of 145 are gone, biding CRJ gives you highest seniority in class. Or play it by the quantities. 2 remaining 175, 3 remaining CRJ, and 15 remaining 145, then 145 puts more pilots under you. I guess base matters too.
*From what I know, CRJ 700 has the best thrust to weight ratio of all regional jets.
*Some have told me they love only one FA b/c less drama. I love knowing there are two back there to support each other.

Hope that gives you something meaningful to think about

What is the difference in actually flying the CRJ vs ERJ? :confused:

Honestly, if I’m commuting no matter what, I’ll take the 145. Every domicile has the 145 and sometimes TDY is offered for one or more bases which gives you the option of using one of the TDY options which I think benefits commuters more so than those that live in a base. YMMV.

The notion that the 145 is going away is flawed. We’re bringing 40 140s out of retirement for gawds sake. We’ll all flow before Envoy gets rid of it.

Thanks. This is the kind of stuff I was looking for.

No doubt if a 175 is available, I'll take it. I'm just trying to make the other decision before I have to, in case I have to. I'm going to be a freakin' airline pilot so I'm going to be happy no matter what. I'm just trying to weigh the pros and cons so I can make the best decision for me and my family.

Which one only has one FA?

This is intriguing. How does TDY work at Envoy?

$1300ish For per diem. Positive space pass back and forth from home. Hotel for the entire month -check in day one check out last day.

The only down side is you do not get to bid what you can hold. You are essentially going to be on reserve since all (voluntary) TDY pilots bids last.

Whats upgrade time for someone who has 1,000 hours of 121 time.

Immediately/first vacancy bid, though be prepared to sit reserve for a long time as 600-700 FO’s keep trickling in above you on the CA list as they get their 1000hours part 121.

Thanks, they still doing the extra 20K for those that have the 1,000 hours?

I believe they are. I know someone going for interview next week that has been offered the extra bonus. It’s hard to get a black and white answer as it’s not posted anywhere formally.

145's have 50 pax = 1 FA