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Boogerface 11-19-2017 07:55 AM

IOE Displacement
 
Can a captain be reassigned flying as an FO after being displaced from his original sequence, if multiple FO reserves are available to fly the sequence? Asking for a friend....

Jersdawg 11-19-2017 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Boogerface (Post 2468835)
Can a captain be reassigned flying as an FO after being displaced from his original sequence, if multiple FO reserves are available to fly the sequence? Asking for a friend....

The contract says only if no FO reserves are available. I'll try to find the reference, standby.

Edit: section 12.G.a says: The assignment of Reserve Captains to First Officer flying will be done after all Reserve First Officers in domicile and all Ready Reserve First Officers in domicile are assigned to flights (as specified in Section 11.I.1.c.1-5) and are unable to complete the assignment.

Boogerface 11-19-2017 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2468882)
The contract says only if no FO reserves are available. I'll try to find the reference, standby.

Edit: section 12.G.a says: The assignment of Reserve Captains to First Officer flying will be done after all Reserve First Officers in domicile and all Ready Reserve First Officers in domicile are assigned to flights (as specified in Section 11.I.1.c.1-5) and are unable to complete the assignment.

The problem is: the captain is a line holder. Thus, scheduling claims that section 12 doesn't apply.

Jersdawg 11-19-2017 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Boogerface (Post 2468901)
The problem is: the captain is a line holder. Thus, scheduling claims that section 12 doesn't apply.

I didn't think line holders were permitted to be forced into the right seat. I'll look.

havick206 11-19-2017 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by Boogerface (Post 2468835)
Can a captain be reassigned flying as an FO after being displaced from his original sequence, if multiple FO reserves are available to fly the sequence? Asking for a friend....

Obvious question but did they put it on his schedule by noon the day before?

Boogerface 11-19-2017 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2468914)
Obvious question but did they put it on his schedule by noon the day before?

Yes.
Filler.

Jersdawg 11-19-2017 11:01 AM

I can't find anything in section 11 permitting line holders to be reassigned into the right seat. I would have your friend ask scheduling what part of the contract allows a line holding CA to be forced over there with reserves available. Also have him email [email protected] (that's contract compliance) and get their take. They are usually pretty quick about responding.

Boogerface 11-19-2017 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2468931)
I can't find anything in section 11 permitting line holders to be reassigned into the right seat. I would have your friend ask scheduling what part of the contract allows a line holding CA to be forced over there with reserves available. Also have him email [email protected] (that's contract compliance) and get their take. They are usually pretty quick about responding.

Oh yea, he's already in touch with ALPA. Union is taking the position of: where in the contract does it say you can do that, while scheduling is taking the position of: where in the contract does it say you CAN'T do that. Might be a fly-it-and-grieve-it situation.

Boogerface 11-19-2017 11:10 AM

Update: The CA was removed from the sequence. I'll leave details out for anonymity reasons.

Jersdawg 11-19-2017 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Boogerface (Post 2468936)
Update: The CA was removed from the sequence. I'll leave details out for anonymity reasons.

Good. That's complete garbage. If you can post what convinced scheduling to remove him it could be helpful for folks if they ever try that again. If not I get it.

Boogerface 11-19-2017 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Jersdawg (Post 2468937)
Good. That's complete garbage. If you can post what convinced scheduling to remove him it could be helpful for folks if they ever try that again. If not I get it.

In short, ALPA went to bat for him, and got a positive result. The reps did a great job in a short amount of time. Not really any explanation from CS other than he was removed.

highflyer1980 11-19-2017 12:32 PM

Win.



Filler


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wiz5422 11-20-2017 05:10 PM

Got to love this company....what can they think of next?

Jersdawg 11-20-2017 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2469615)
Got to love this company....what can they think of next?

I love how they float these things to see what they can get away with. Fortunately the union seems to have nipped this one in the bud. I remember the multiple day junior mans running rampant last year - that was another test balloon that wasn't shot down nearly as quickly.

DilsonWic 11-21-2017 03:07 AM

This is just one of many examples why it doesn’t matter what RSV LOA gets voted in. Until that she devil is removed as CS manager this will keep up. You think the schedulers come up with these ideas? Nope! Comes from the top down.

Boogerface 11-21-2017 10:26 AM

This is why I stress to FOs that they need to have a pretty good understanding of the contract. If they think they're getting screwed - they probably are. They need to look stuff up in the contract, and challenge CS if they think it's wrong. If they don't get it fixed, they need to call their reps. I think the biggest fear a lot of new FOs have is getting fired because they're on probation, but if the contract is being broken, it's being broken - it really doesn't matter that they're on probation. Challenge CS politely, then call the rep. They will fight for ALL pilots, regardless of status with the company.


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