AA doesn’t have pilots for Christmas
 

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/29/16716152/american-airlines-computer-glitch-pilot-vacation-december


Any idea if this is going to impact us at Envoy as well?

Might impact your commute. We use different bidding systems so MQ shouldn’t have any issues related to this.

Although it might explain a sudden increase in hub to hub routes next month...

Just overheard some if them at the overnight. They are already re-assigning them.

That’s just wrong. I hope the union is going to stand up to this. No way should any, ANY regional be doing mainline flying. Maybe they should up the flow????


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I agree. Sadly, the entire "regional" industry exists as an inferior replacement for a decent mainline career. All planes should be flown by mainline. Unfortunately, they have given away scope repeatedly, and that's why the inferior "regional" mess exists today.

Well, according to the union, which I have asked, they will not allow any portion of our contract be violated and will not allow anything be changed without express consent with APA if it harms their position with management.


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Better quit your job then mate

No thanks, because according to ALPA top brass they intend to follow our contract and will not do anything that will hurt APAs bargaining power with AA. Besides, I’m a year away from flowing.


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Then you've been around long enough that you don't have an excuse for not knowing that quite literally all of the flying you do used to be mainline flying.

Oh absolutely, but my point is this isn’t an Envoy problem, it’s not an ALPA problem, it’s not even an APA problem. This was caused by AA. Therefore we, ENY, hell even PDT, not PSA should have anything to do with this. If any WO steps in and tries to sweep up AAs mess, there can be some serious consequences of doing such.

Sounds like you also know that you shouldn’t **** off people that you will want to work with later on.


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Hub to hub routes have to be exclusively mainline with very few exceptions. APA would have a slam dunk grievance on their hands if that were violated. Unfortunately I don't have anything to cite to back that up, but I'm sure someone else could chime in.

Well looks like it may be moot because I just saw on morning news that there was a remedy made between APA and AA. AA is offering to pay critical coverage for APA pilots to fly during the holidays, as it should! Can we now stop these crazy rumors?


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"Don't **** me off, I flow in a year" lol what

I guess you were looking forward to violating scope or playing mainline pilot for a week. So sorry to disappoint. Your time will come.


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Yep sitting here waiting anxiously for my company to violate a scope clause you caught me!! We're gonna miss our opportunity if we don't pounce!

No one has been reassigned.

We are ready to take whatever extra flying they give us to cover mainline.

I hope Mr.Fabregas and R.Wilson are on top of it.

This is a strong message to AAG that we at envoy are committed with our strong performance numbers to get the job done.

LMAO troll game on point

AA doesn’t have pilots for Christmas
 

Moved to main Envoy thread after thinking about it.

easy. Basically from a passenger comfort, the E175 is far superior to that pre historic S80 crap. Slowly we are doing what the S80 is doing.

I hope the trend continues!

If the 175 is doing what the s80 used to do then what’s the 319 doing?

Looks like AA pilots are standing their ground and not flying on Christmas even with offered double pay. AA IS GOING TO BE IN A PICKLE!

AA uncovered sequences
 

As of today we have approximately 1452 sequences designated as premium that are uncovered in all domiciles from Dec 23rd to Dec 31st. This number has remain largely unchanged since the 200% LOA went into effect.

This is why I booked a Delta ticket home even though I have AA status.

The best part about all of this, I’m guessing it doesn’t matter how much they offer. AAG treats it’s employee so bad, they’d take a pay hit just to give the middle finger. And I love it! What if this happened at LUV? I’m guessing nay a flight would be canceled, and crews would be willing to help. And they wouldn’t insult them with a 150% then 200%. They’d come out the gate swinging for the fences.

the e145 routes

I thought if you treat your people right when the times are good, and they will go to bat for you when times are bad?

If what your saying is true. The optics will not go well with mainline pilots, press and court of public opinion will be horrible for APA.

That's not what it's about. You can spend years and years at a legacy and not get the holidays off. This is the first chance in a long time for many of those people to spend Christmas with their families. They are mainline pilots, they don't need any extra cash. So how does Joe the pilot explain to his wife and kids that he won't be home for Christmas because he wants to pick up a 200% trip they don't need?

Aag should have gone for 500% when they had a chance

What about the guy on his 3rd wife....

I kid. You’re right.

Totally agreed. 200% is crazy, especially since Delta pilots can easily get that with a green slip.

aa pay is the pits and apa's pay guarantees dont exist but there duty trip rigs compared to others is humorous at best.

AA just Approved Duty rigs
 

5:15 min day now...just came out today. Unfortunately it doesn't go into effect until August of 2018. Should make all those 30 hour layovers in Lihue, Maui, Honolulu and Kona a bit more tolerable now.

Please elaborate? AA pilots are pay guaranteed except for conflicts in the first 6 days of the month.

AA pay is an average of UA and DL. Trip rig is 3.5:1 which is same as UA and DL. Average calendar day is 5:15 effective 1 Aug is same as UA and DL.

Profit sharing is lower. Guarantee isn’t an issue with PBS.

You shouldn't post when 1) you're clueless about the subject, or 2) when you've been drinking. :rolleyes: