LOA
 

So my wife is having a baby next month, the chief pilot said I can apply for LOA but it is NOT paid. I've been with the company for year and half, aren't you able to use your sick time for this?

I emailed F&H solutions center early last week never heard back, I called them and nothing .. just a voicemail.


I'd appreciate any info

Thanks

Sick time is for when you are sick. Advise FNH at least 30 days before due date. You have up to a year to use it. You can't do it intermittently. The documentation you need will be given to you in the hospital.

This really is a nonissue when taking FMLA.

FMLA for maternity leave can be covered by sick and vacation time. It’s in our contract. Section 18. D. (ps: that took me about 30 seconds to find. Use the contract people.)

Good luck getting sick time to pay for maternity leave. Working through F&H solutions is a beast. They will make You use all of your vacation time first.

If that’s true then I’ll have my grievance prewritten. It’s pretty black and white in the contract.

The OP said his wife was having a baby. The FMLA for him is considered baby bonding and is different from maternity leave. You can only use vacation for that particular FMLA.

That is correct. Same thing happened to me. I got three weeks paid after son was born. But the law states you can have much more unpaid. I think almost a year if I recall correctly. Which wouldn’t make sense unless you end up having a lotto win at the same time.


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Yes you have a baby then you get paid maternity leave.

If your wife has a baby then it's not maternity leave. It is called paternity leave when your baby momma has the baby.

I just learned something new. I thought maternity leave covered both parents under FMLA. So now I am very interested in the correct answer because my “baby momma” is having a baby soon and I had all my plans on burning up my sick bank.

I know the feeling you are having right now. I had it too.

FMLA is a government regulation that gives maternity leave. It also gives baby bonding time for the non birthing parent. It also has provisions for bonding with an adopted child.

You can use vacation to cover it though.

Thanks... It looks like you helped both myself and the OP.

A previous ORD Chief Pilot used to tell pilots to bid for vacation at the due date, then use FMLA whenever they wanted within the first year of birth. He recommended using it at Christmas (this company has changed a lot). Anyway, if you can get vacation without FMLA for the first few weeks after the birth, you could then save the FMLA for when (if) the wife goes back to work, or any other time.

As far as I know I am able to use sick time as I have no vacation time available. On myenvoyair it tells you, you must use ANY paid time off available which is about 70 hours of sick time for me.

This is what I found:

"Although FMLA leave is unpaid, during any FMLA leave employees must use all accrued paid time off, including vacation leave, sick leave, any other paid time off, and earned time off, unless otherwise stated in the applicable collective bargaining agreement."

Can you give a link to that reference please. Will help very much.

Check yo pm

I went through this last year. They told me I could not use my sick time with FMLA because I wasn't the one who was sick.

I did what ORDinary suggested. I staggered 2 weeks of vacation for when the baby was due. I DTS'd that entire month so I had the entire month off. When my wife went back to work after 3 months, I took my 3 months off. It made the transition for my wife much easier. I've done this twice now and it works very nicely.

It is confusing because we are talking about two different types of FMLA. Baby bonding is a different thing than intermittent FMLA for allergies or whatever - as someone said above, if you're not sick you can't use sick time. That's the rule of thumb for this kind of thing.

I see what you're saying. What bothers me is I am able to get answers on here that these so called "reps" are unable to answer for me.

Before F&H took over there used to be a form that talked about baby bonding (When and how long you could take it and how you could code it). That seems to have vanished. I do remember you could take it anytime within a year after your kid was born and you could not use sick time. I believe the sick can only be used if you had the baby because then it’s true maternity leave. Can’t remember if you could go 60 or 90 days of leave. When I took it I used 6 PVDs of vacation from the year ahead and took the rest unpaid.

This company is ridiculous. They can’t even get their own shenanigans in order. Let me explain.

A captain told me he got a warn letter for too many sick occurrences. The chief pilot mentioned using FMLA instead. If he still has sick time to burn, then he would still have to use up that paid leave according to this paragraph from our contract. So I ask, what’s the difference?

Oh! I think I know....company provided escort service?


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