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fenix1 01-04-2018 09:53 PM

How senior is DFW?
 
Currently, what is the seniority/hire date for DFW's most junior 175 FO, 145 FO, 175 CA & 145 CA? (I'm especially interested in gaining a better understanding of how senior DFW is for CA's on both 175's & 145's right now.)

Thanks in advance.

HoustonPilot 01-04-2018 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2495915)
Currently, what is the seniority/hire date for DFW's most junior 175 FO, 145 FO, 175 CA & 145 CA? (I'm especially interested in gaining a better understanding of how senior DFW is for CA's on both 175's & 145's right now.)

Thanks in advance.

E75 DFW Bottom of the rsv list are 1175 and 2175 (seniority)
EMJ DFW bottom of the rsv list are 1514 and 2156

havick206 01-04-2018 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2495915)
Currently, what is the seniority/hire date for DFW's most junior 175 FO, 145 FO, 175 CA & 145 CA? (I'm especially interested in gaining a better understanding of how senior DFW is for CA's on both 175's & 145's right now.)

Thanks in advance.

Most junior CA on the reserve list on the 145 in DFW is maybe a Dec 2016 / Jan 2017 ish hire date going off seniority numbers.

That being said a lot of water to go under the bridge in the next 6 months or so with forced upgrades currently happening so that number could swing significantly

fenix1 01-04-2018 11:36 PM

Many thanks, Havick206 & HouP. What's the best guess about how that number might move following the forced upgrades? (i.e., roughly how many forced updates are anticipated?)


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2495921)
Most junior CA on the reserve list on the 145 in DFW is maybe a Dec 2016 / Jan 2017 ish hire date going off seniority numbers.

That being said a lot of water to go under the bridge in the next 6 months or so with forced upgrades currently happening so that number could swing significantly


DilsonWic 01-05-2018 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2495934)
Many thanks, Havick206 & HouP. What's the best guess about how that number might move following the forced upgrades? (i.e., roughly how many forced updates are anticipated?)

No telling. But grumblings are that only the top 50 FOs are truly safe from the forced upgrade.

havick206 01-05-2018 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2495934)
Many thanks, Havick206 & HouP. What's the best guess about how that number might move following the forced upgrades? (i.e., roughly how many forced updates are anticipated?)

It’s anyones guess. There’s way too many variables to come up with a number. Keep in mind DFW based FO’s that are building up their part 121 time will start trickling out soon also and will want to get back to DFW as soon as they can, they will be senior to you as well as the recent forced upgrades that have been recent new hires.

BarrySeal 01-05-2018 12:14 PM

what is "better" (QOL-wise) DFW based airplane for

1. New hire FO
2. New Captain (recent upgrade from FO)

145, 175, etc ?

AZPilotMike 01-05-2018 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by BarrySeal (Post 2496408)
what is "better" (QOL-wise) DFW based airplane for

1. New hire FO
2. New Captain (recent upgrade from FO)

145, 175, etc ?

Dallas is going to be slow for a new hire in either example. I just took the ORD vacancy on the 175 out of DFW and my bidding seniority went way up. I have several friends who are FO's on the 175 and they are still sitting reserve after several months.

From what I can tell listening to new upgrade Captains on the 175, they are on reserve but being flown a lot. Hopefully this new upgrade cycle will ease the pressure on them.

Sorry I cant speak much to the other airframes. QOL I feel depends the most on where you live. If you live in Dallas and have been an FO for a bit, sitting reserve on the 175 will keep you home a lot. Plus you can bid TDY for ORD while it lasts and get all of those perks.

fenix1 01-05-2018 09:11 PM

Great question and certainly one of interest to me as well


Originally Posted by BarrySeal (Post 2496408)
what is "better" (QOL-wise) DFW based airplane for

1. New hire FO
2. New Captain (recent upgrade from FO)

145, 175, etc ?


fenix1 01-05-2018 09:17 PM

Thanks a lot, AZ PilotMike. I don't mean to be a pain in the butt, but any chance you'd be good enough to quantify what "slow" means to you? (i.e., for both 175's & 145's, currently roughly how many months/years until possible to hold DFW as FO, until upgrade, until it's possible to get back to DFW as CA) Even an estimate or your best guess/rough feel would be helpful here!


Originally Posted by AZPilotMike (Post 2496418)
Dallas is going to be slow for a new hire in either example. I just took the ORD vacancy on the 175 out of DFW and my bidding seniority went way up. I have several friends who are FO's on the 175 and they are still sitting reserve after several months.

From what I can tell listening to new upgrade Captains on the 175, they are on reserve but being flown a lot. Hopefully this new upgrade cycle will ease the pressure on them.

Sorry I cant speak much to the other airframes. QOL I feel depends the most on where you live. If you live in Dallas and have been an FO for a bit, sitting reserve on the 175 will keep you home a lot. Plus you can bid TDY for ORD while it lasts and get all of those perks.



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