A harsh reminder from not too ago..
 

Envoy Air will shrink by half in next 18 months, union says | Fort Worth Star-Telegram


We need to push for every last penny we can get. This was us less than 3 years ago.

This^^^^^^^^^^^

Agreed. The union needs to put the pressure on. I have already done so, but everyone needs to write their reps and get the message across that we can’t wait much longer for better rates.

Its being long enough since EDV got their pay raised and here we are nothing from the union. This is pathetic. Very incompetent.

Sad really...union says it wont fight for pay raises because they think it will happen naturally why waste money on such an issue...

Only care about
...flow, flow, flow

These union officials will flow soooooon providing fresh and relentless replacements

I get the feeling they don’t want to rock the boat too much. Why, that I don’t know. Only other explanation is that they are working on something and are trying to keep it unde wraps.

It seem these officials only care for the flow. Since they are so close to flowing they don't want to jeopardize their chances.

A harsh reminder from not too ago..
 

I think our Union Reps care very much. I think they are doing their best with the cards they have. I believe in the MEC’s strategy. They know Regional Feed impacts mainline. Raising our pay is good for Mainline, and increases mainline flying in house. They see the bigger picture. They know if they flow, and we new folks are not armed with appropriate tools to succeed it will effect them at Mainline. We need to make sure we are volunteering and involved and learning from these guys before they flow. It is IMPERATIVE.

Union can do nothing at this point if the company refuses to negotiate. It’s not the MEC’s, Reps, Committee leaderships fault. Blame & pressure the company, and be HONEST with New hires, and POTENTIAL new hires who are here or coming here. It will take some time for NH to slow down. I personally hope it does not slow down. If NH’s see a lot of value in our current system, rates, work rules, Mgmt tactics, then so be it. When Pay Rates, reserve and soft pay, and contract rules does eventually increase, it will put us in an even greater position as a company for even greater success and greater growth which the company wants- within scope. Hopefully (wishful thinking) Flow will increase. We all know our Mgmt is reactionary due to AAG’s leadership position and vision. If the rumors of Envoy merging with PDT is true, I will be happy, synergies are needed in this regional environment (my opinion), I will gladly welcome PDT, I think most in both pilot group would also.

All we can do at this point to help our Union leadership is to get involved now & learn the ropes and when the company comes back to the table (and they will sooner rather than later), we will be ready, and Eagle Strong! A lot of complainers here on APC, yet so few willing to get involved. I trust the leadership is fighting hard with the cards they have to play with. Let’s see what unfolds.

Fair enough, however as you stated it’s your opinion. I actually did reach out a few weeks ago to volunteer and was told I would be contacted after the new year. Excited to help really.

So what does the union leadership need to do in your opinion to get the company to act? I'm not defending them nor putting them down, just curious as to what you'd do different to make something happen. As the other guy said, it's hard to negotiate with someone that isn't willing to negotiate.