Whats the union doing?!?
 

No progress on all fronts...

No intention of spending capital on pay...

...Really? 🤢

Is it time to start 3-engine taxi?

The lack of communication from the union is disappointing. They don’t keep the pilot group in the loop. They have crew room visits that over 85% of the pilot group cannot attend. They don’t need questions from us. They know what we want. We need them to tell us what progress they are making and what they are trying to negotiate for us. If they are scared for their jobs then they need to tell us that. I think we need alpa to bring in professionals to negotiate for us and they will not be afraid of repercussions from management. I don’t see many changes for the pilot group in the near future because the union is communicating nothing to us that is positive. We are pretty much helpless and are at the mercy of a company that is trying to grow with not enough captains to support the growth. They seem to care less about their pilots QOL and more about growth. The lack of reserve QOL, lack of good schedules, and now behind the curve on industry leading pay will soon lead to more frustration from the pilot group. I don’t know what the breaking point will be, but I hope our Union can turn around this downward spiral.

Start? I haven’t stopped....[emoji57]


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Radios have been silent since the massive displacement and forced upgrades. What gives?

Hit the nail on the head...just perfectly worded...and the truth hurts

This has been my same thoughts but you do bring up a good point which is the union playing scared. I think this is a realistic and alarming position we find ourselves in. The company is very termination-happy and there's no easier target for them than union volunteers that stand up to them. History proves this to be true.

Wow i didn’t know that termination of a volunteer was a tactic used in the past. If that is true, I would gladly kick in another couple bucks to get people in there that can’t be terminated, ie a professional negotiator.

You guys can't possibly believe the union represents the pilots. The union is there to deflect personal responsibility from management.

Luckily they will flow soooon since thats all they care about their own number...#timeforchange

Two disturbing observations—

1- Go to the ALPA site and look at the officer compensation for 2017. The president, Capt Tim Canoll, was paid roughly $650,000 last year!! Who would want to rock the boat on that deal?

2- Please realize the Union is a stenographer for what economic conditions pressure the company to do. ALPA has very little impact on anything meaningful with the exeption of helping a non-probationary pilot when he ****s up. That’s worth the 2% they take from my check... in my opinion.

Maybe you should volunteer for the union? There are plenty of vacancies with all the movement.

Maybe union dues should be voluntary, then there might be a little incentive to perform.

Yeah that would be great until a strike or worse happens and then the pilots are assessed big time or just stuck without pay...

Only to be replaced by another group who's flowing in 18 months and won't want to rock the boat. I try not to complain too much about the union because I'm not volunteering since I enjoy my time off, but it's a perpetual cycle right now. I would love professional negotiators to come in from ALPA national, but national doesn't care about the regionals. Our best bet is new hires who have previous union experience in other industries to step up and volunteer. But I'm definitely hypocritical, I'm not putting up so I feel like I should just shut up.

When is the MEC chair heading out the door?

Sad thing is, another stooge will most likely step up and replace him.

I am all for paying a little more our of pocket to hire PROFESSSINAL NEGOTIATORS.

You might want to fact check this. I suspect you have extensive professional support from ALPA national. Regionals always have in the past.

Tell me more about the support from national when they let PSA and Eagle whipsaw each other.

The Teamsters got RAH an industry leading contract 🤷🏽*♂️

It seems to me there are plenty of lifers at Envoy. Granted, those guys don’t sit reserve unless they want to, so don’t care about reserve rules, but those guys should probably be the MOST interested in pay improvements. A lot of them are 10-15 years to retirement. They are the ones that should be most involved with the union because they are NOT flowing.

280ish on the list.

This year...

Fill it


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This is a good idea. In 2016 they fired 2 MEC reps.
Our history of them attacking the union by firing union reps isn’t new. They fired 3 of the past 5 NY CA reps. Some fired/rehired multiple times. The record was 7 terminations, in some cases for things as simple as claiming the CEO a liar publicly at a company meeting. Basically the company uses termination to teach lessons and force compliance.

No, that’s actually not accurate. They put on a great show of providing support.

I love getting my ALPA union emails with unity for the JetBlue pilots and Spirit Pilots for them to get better pay and contracts, my dues have bought those boys some nice picket signs.... maybe the newbs whose flow is non existent or a decade away should get involved and rock the boat. Or the cobwebs, excuse me the eagle lifers should get involved and rock the boat.

Lifers don't give a squat. I just feel sorry for them.

Lifers. Some are nice guys. Some not. Never know how they will vote. They just want to make sure their money and vacation is guaranteed. They could care less about the flow for the rest of us. They have no reason to mess with ALPA or contribute to union negotiations.

Agreed. They are envious of us young guns that will make more cash once we make it to mainline than they will make their entire time at envoy-eagle etc.

In 10 years

I’m always impressed how the newish guys/gals have the big picture that lifers seemed to have missed this whole time.