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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
(Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
(Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
(Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
(Post 2566997)
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
(Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?
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Originally Posted by highflyer1980
(Post 2565554)
Captains.... Declare min fuel. When looking at the fuel projection on the FMS and it’s giving you the willies, declare min fuel! Leave a paper trail, with mounds of evidence will give us and dispatchers more ammunition fighting corporate policies. Don’t wait until it’s too late and you have an emergency or divert. The pipeline is simple to do, very little details needed.
I do not condone the company’s actions though. This is wrong on so many levels. Anyone heard of PSA or PDT having this issue? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
Originally Posted by Wink
(Post 2567362)
Current PDT CA here. No. Never even heard of someone getting any sort of pushback from a dispatcher about it, or experienced it myself. When I've asked for more fuel in the past, we just amended the release and called the fueler.... that was it....
Example: RDU-DFW ENY 3355 Today (4/8) , Planned Arrival Fuel 01/10 mins (1713 Departure) **Release Notes: Filed FL280 to avoid forecast upper turb. AAL 2753 Today (4/8), Planned Arrival Fuel 02/02 mins (1545 Departure) **Release Notes: Add fuel for possible taxi out delays/ ride improvements. Flight plan altitude capped due to turb. Notice the difference? Both dispatchers noted the enroute upper level turbulence. Only one added additional fuel for ride improvements. The envoy release had no buffer fuel or anything. Just a casual hey, we filed you lower but you still have minimal arrival fuel. If you are working a flight that also has a mainline flight, start comparing the releases. Just because we are flying a smaller plane doesn't mean we should be arriving with an hours less fuel than mainline. If I was flying my family on a flight I sure as sh**t wouldn't want that. |
Originally Posted by E175 Driver
(Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?
If you really don't get that, please go find a desk to fly somewhere, or a job writing stupid shyt that actual pilots can ignore. |
Originally Posted by Frip
(Post 2567419)
That is not the point, nor even remotely the reason for carrying adequate fuel or Captains adding fuel.
If you really don't get that, please go find a desk to fly somewhere, or a job writing stupid shyt that actual pilots can ignore. |
It's 2018, they make all these cool emoji-thingies to indicate sarcasm, humor, wonder, etc...
In the dark ages mb posters who desired to be understood would sometimes indicate those sort of things that might easily be misconstrued in a print only format by actually typing out the words, thusly... {sarcasm alert...} or such. |
Originally Posted by griff312
(Post 2567028)
I'm betting yours will be the first.
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2567426)
Next time, if you read something that sounds too stupid to be serious, the it probably is someone just kidding around. He doesn't mean or believe anything he actually writes. It's taking up a persona that hyper stereotypes a millennial.
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Originally Posted by E175 Driver
(Post 2566893)
You guys are too paranoid. How many planes have ran out of gas?
How accurate is dispatch flight planning? What altitudes do you actually cross Beree/Seever/Vktry at? What altitude does the release say? How much taxi fuel do you really use? Deicing today? Landing north or south today? Will you accept that flight plan all the way down the 1400 mile front or deviate? Better get a handle on this stuff quick, "Captain". Smarter people have flamed out their careers on less stuff than this. |
Does anyone know the difference between razor burn and herpes? Asking for a friend...
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Originally Posted by HardLemonade
(Post 2569087)
Does anyone know the difference between razor burn and herpes? Asking for a friend...
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Originally Posted by LowValueAviator
(Post 2569076)
None. How many diverted? How many landed with amber fuel qty? Is there checklists in our AOM Vol 1's/QRHs for amber fuel?
How accurate is dispatch flight planning? What altitudes do you actually cross Beree/Seever/Vktry at? What altitude does the release say? So true How much taxi fuel do you really use? Deicing today? Landing north or south today? Will you accept that flight plan all the way down the 1400 mile front or deviate? Better get a handle on this stuff quick, "Captain". Smarter people have flamed out their careers on less stuff than this. |
RW Letter
Fuel Planning
April 5th, 2018 RE: Fuel Planning I want to apologize on behalf of the entire Flight Operations Management Team. Recently a message went out from one of our Fleet Managers that had a threatening tone with regards to the use of CAPT ADD. This Manager was immediately reprimanded, because this is not in line with the guiding principles of our company and contrary to our culture of respect where Envoy’s goal is to maintain a workplace free from any attempt to intimidate or coerce another person. For all of us at Envoy, our first – and top – priority is the safety of our co-workers and customers. The Captain and Dispatcher are jointly responsible for all aspects of pre-flight planning, including fuel requirements. It is company policy to dispatch with the minimum quantity of fuel necessary after considering of safety, regulations, customer service and operating economics. However, if the judgement and experience of the Captain and Dispatcher indicate a need for more fuel, it is vital both parties clearly agree and understand the reasons why. It is important that each of us, Captain and Dispatcher, understand the assumptions by which our flight plans are built to effectively execute the mission above. We accomplish that through training. To that end, Flight Operations Management will be working in conjunction with representatives from ALPA to collaborate on improvements to our fuel training curriculum. Respectfully, Ric Captain Richard Wilson Vice President Flight Operations |
^^^^^ that’s old
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Heard the person in question was fired.
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Originally Posted by Jamesthunder
(Post 2573678)
Heard the person in question was fired.
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Originally Posted by Jamesthunder
(Post 2573678)
Heard the person in question was fired.
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
(Post 2573694)
As they should be...
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2573703)
The one(s) who made that person feel like those policies were acceptable should be fired. I'm not sure the person that sent the HI6 should have been the one fired. They just exposed a culture problem with management policies.
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2573703)
The one(s) who made that person feel like those policies were acceptable should be fired. I'm not sure the person that sent the HI6 should have been the one fired. They just exposed a culture problem with management policies.
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
(Post 2573708)
Highly doubt it was higher up than the fleet manager. Otherwise why would only one fleet manager send it to one fleet instead of all fleets? I dunno, maybe I am being too optimistic but I hope it was an isolated case with him.
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Originally Posted by Jamesthunder
(Post 2573678)
Heard the person in question was fired.
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Originally Posted by FullThrust
(Post 2573708)
Highly doubt it was higher up than the fleet manager. Otherwise why would only one fleet manager send it to one fleet instead of all fleets? I dunno, maybe I am being too optimistic but I hope it was an isolated case with him.
I’m pretty laid back but when it comes to adding gas,( if you want it)either it’s in the wings or we don’t push. |
Originally Posted by bigtime209
(Post 2573743)
He was dismissed from his mgmt position, but not fired from the airline.
Well, I bet it will be a while before he ask for CA add. |
Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2573724)
That HI6 didn't read to me like he was the one that came up with the policies. He was just the one dumb enough to not realize how the rest of us would react to such policies. Maybe I'm wrong, just the way it sounded to me.
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2573703)
The one(s) who made that person feel like those policies were acceptable should be fired. I'm not sure the person that sent the HI6 should have been the one fired. They just exposed a culture problem with management policies.
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2573693)
Definitely didn't want that to happen.
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Originally Posted by f16jetmech
(Post 2573969)
Probably what needed to happen to keep the FAA off their case.
I think he should be removed from his current position but still be employed as a CA to fly the line. |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2573980)
Agreed.
I think he should be removed from his current position but still be employed as a CA to fly the line. |
Originally Posted by Gooselives
(Post 2574008)
But what happens when he needs CA add!
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Im guessing they determined who to add to the list by auditing flight releases and seeing which flights requested CA add fuel.
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2584447)
Im guessing they determined who to add to the list by auditing flight releases and seeing which flights requested CA add fuel.
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Originally Posted by SullyJR
(Post 2584462)
Dispatchers have a RF form they send when captains add fuel that goes to the CPO. I don’t remember the name of the specific RF but it’s been posted here before.
REMARKS ============= CA REQUESTED 1000 (OR 10.0 DEPENDING ON PROGRAM) OF CA ADD FUEL DUE TO (INSERT REASON SUCH AS WX,ATC, ETC ETC) another way it could appear is ADDED XXX POUNDS OF FUEL AT CAPTAIN REQUEST DUE TO (REASON) ive never heard of a actual form being sent to the CP for additional fuel, usually they would just pull random audits of OFPs. |
I had a dispatcher in my jumpseat. I asked and they confirmed that dispatch has to report it to the chief pilot every time a captain adds fuel.
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Originally Posted by LowValueAviator
(Post 2585013)
I had a dispatcher in my jumpseat. I asked and they confirmed that dispatch has to report it to the chief pilot every time a captain adds fuel.
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Originally Posted by TCASTESTOK
(Post 2585098)
Im surprised it isnt just automatically sent to the CP when the flight gets released.
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