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Old 11-26-2020, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
While I find professional airline pilots youtubing about their jobs kind of of distasteful, he's not breaking any formal rules.
On the contrary, he's violating a lot of rules with the company blessing. None of us can do what he does. I believe Aviator Chavez was made private as an example. We have to fill our social media posts with: "this reflects my opinion and no way shape or form is representive of my company." We're told that despite being proud of being where we are, we may have wrongthink now or in the future and to disassociate with them while on the internet.

A lot of people on these boards voiced their concerns to one another when in the middle of pay negotiations, he posted a company sponsored video. It was not see as being in unison with his fellow union members and instead shilling for the company in a very critical time.

​​​For Swayne's deeds, that would be the one that bothers me. I think it's neat that he has a successful YouTube channel, I wanted to do that in my career too, but I didn't get the views. And the social media policy is the company and AA's fault, not Swayne's fault, getting upset with him because he got the blessing, in my mind, is a mistake.
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Old 11-26-2020, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio View Post
lol, video is marked private.
that didn’t last long
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Old 11-26-2020, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Maybe the union needs a rule such that they can order members to "cease and desist" in public behavior which is counter to the goals and best interests of the pilot group? I guess the unions only hammer would be to kick someone down to non-member status, which would be largely symbolic (and save the offender some dues money).
Agency Shop 101, you should know this. You can't not pay union dues and stay employed.
You can be a member in bad standing, or a non-member, but you will pay your dues. Otherwise you will be terminated.
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Old 11-28-2020, 04:31 PM
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My question is, why does anyone seek internet fame if they're in a career not associated with being a narcissistic 'look at me' persona such as acting, journalism, politics etc. Why not just change to another field that is more visible?
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Old 11-28-2020, 09:50 PM
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Why is this even a thread ?
Let the man live his life.
So much jealousy in this world, it’s not easy doing those videos, it takes time and editing.
We should all just support each other.

Those videos are great, very informative, they definitely helped me make my decision in which regional to choose.

In my opinion, keep going bud, forget the haters
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Old 11-28-2020, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyhigh47 View Post
Why is this even a thread ?
Let the man live his life.
So much jealousy in this world, it’s not easy doing those videos, it takes time and editing.
We should all just support each other.

Those videos are great, very informative, they definitely helped me make my decision in which regional to choose.

In my opinion, keep going bud, forget the haters
Two main reasons

Preferential treatment: The rest of are told that we cannot link back to Envoy because they're worried about getting sued or canceled. That we actually received training saying that they want us to include in social media posts: "This statement is my own and is not sponsored or affiliated with the company."

Posting Envoy sponsored videos during pay negotiations: A lot of people question where his loyalty is when we're supposed to be a union together and he's doing what he's doing with the company.

Try to have some critical thinking skills before you start opening your mouth as to people's motives.
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Old 11-29-2020, 02:27 AM
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It’s easy to make fun of his stuff as cheesy and pointless but his target audience is aspiring pilots. Although I think he’s peaked.
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Old 11-29-2020, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by HalyardJammer View Post
Preferential treatment: The rest of are told that we cannot link back to Envoy because they're worried about getting sued or canceled..
This argument keeps getting repeated and is really weak. It's not preferential treatment. Envoy thinks he has a talent and wants him to do another job. Are check airmen getting preferential treatment? No, they were picked because they have a talent - training. What about pilots who appear in safety videos? What about pilots airlines use as brand ambassadors at colleges? What about pilots airlines use in their homepage puff pieces?

Envoy does not want their pilots representing the brand on social media without oversight. Oversight takes time and resources. They would rather spend those resources on someone they know is capable of representing the company well.
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Old 11-29-2020, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine View Post
This argument keeps getting repeated and is really weak. It's not preferential treatment. Envoy thinks he has a talent and wants him to do another job. Are check airmen getting preferential treatment? No, they were picked because they have a talent - training. What about pilots who appear in safety videos? What about pilots airlines use as brand ambassadors at colleges? What about pilots airlines use in their homepage puff pieces?

Envoy does not want their pilots representing the brand on social media without oversight. Oversight takes time and resources. They would rather spend those resources on someone they know is capable of representing the company well.
saying all check airmen have a talent in training made me chuckle
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Old 11-29-2020, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine View Post
This argument keeps getting repeated and is really weak. It's not preferential treatment. Envoy thinks he has a talent and wants him to do another job. Are check airmen getting preferential treatment? No, they were picked because they have a talent - training. What about pilots who appear in safety videos? What about pilots airlines use as brand ambassadors at colleges? What about pilots airlines use in their homepage puff pieces?

Envoy does not want their pilots representing the brand on social media without oversight. Oversight takes time and resources. They would rather spend those resources on someone they know is capable of representing the company well.
Talent or not, check airman is an option afforded to pilots as part of the contract. Social media spokesperson at the expense of others is not. He is making money by BEING EMPLOYED AT ENVOY, outside of what is within the contract. If he wants to do that he should be off the seniority list.

Yes, there are plenty of haters, FOR PERSONAL REASONS, and they have no place here or anywhere else, but those of you cheerleading him are working your way to THKoolAid status.
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