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Old 08-23-2018, 10:26 AM
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Most likely scenario here is that you were fired from Envoy and are just jealous. None of your post rings true. It just sounds like a bitter, disgruntled former employee who won't have the opportunity to flow to American Airlines. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:10 PM
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I wonder what DEC attrition figures are like, how many drop out of our industry-leading training program (I notice no one is contesting his claims about the training dept lol) and how many make it to RSV before bailing.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:19 PM
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I saw where DEC into ORD is/will be offered. If they offer DFW next, that will get my attention.
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I saw where DEC into ORD is/will be offered. If they offer DFW next, that will get my attention.
DEC DFW will probably never be on the cards. It’s the most senior base.
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Old 08-24-2018, 04:01 AM
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I wonder what DEC attrition figures are like, how many drop out of our industry-leading training program (I notice no one is contesting his claims about the training dept lol) and how many make it to RSV before bailing.
I have been through several training events with Envoy, and other than one particular person, "lets look it up", I have not had any issues. Sure, you are required to group up on your free time and study the packet, memorization items and limitations, but so what, this is your job.

The sims have always gone well, both with the instructors and training. Envoy wants you in and out fast, so you need to be able to adapt to that style of training.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:15 AM
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I agree with the original poster on the majority of their comments. I left for Endeavor a little over 2 years ago and everything across the board is markedly better at Endeavor when compared to Envoy. Primarily the punitive culture Envoy seems to employ in most aspects of the operation was noticeably absent at Endeavor.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:22 AM
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I agree with the original poster on the majority of their comments. I left for Endeavor a little over 2 years ago and everything across the board is markedly better at Endeavor when compared to Envoy. Primarily the punitive culture Envoy seems to employ in most aspects of the operation was noticeably absent at Endeavor.


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Old 08-24-2018, 01:49 PM
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Are you at Envoy yet? I saw a post where you talked about the bad attitudes of pilots who bashed some guy with a Vlog. Just curious..
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Old 08-25-2018, 01:23 PM
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Are you at Envoy yet? I saw a post where you talked about the bad attitudes of pilots who bashed some guy with a Vlog. Just curious..

My class date is relatively soon. I know I’m new and the cupcake phase will end but my thought process about all of the regionals is which one has a better offer if you were stuck there for 10 years. I’ve read the contracts of Envoy, Endeavor, Republic and Skywest.

Yeah our contract isn’t the best but it will be updated eventually when it expires in a few years even with that being said for how outdated our contract is I still think it’s the 3rd best one out there.

I do appreciate posts like yours to give new guys further insight, it’s very thoughtful and is the point of posting on APC. With that being said, the grass isn’t always greener on the other side. I’ve seen some negative posts even from Endeavor guys even though they are the top regional to be at right now. Again I know it’s to vent but it’s just like, sad to see after working hard to reach minimums only to hear the guys I look up to bash their company...


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Old 08-25-2018, 02:28 PM
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“including an uptick in overspeed events which, after the required AML entry and Pipeline report, is causing our pilots to incur PRIA reportable remedial training, even for minor transitory incursions above red line.”

Excerpt from last MEC email. Hostile work environment all day everyday.
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