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rswitz 09-01-2018 02:58 PM

My current airline recognizes my sic 135 time towards the 1000 minimum 121/135 to upgrade. This was verified with the training department. So it's worth something.

I'll.call Envoy on Monday and report back.

Houpilot2001 09-01-2018 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by rswitz (Post 2666592)
My current airline recognizes my sic 135 time towards the 1000 minimum 121/135 to upgrade. This was verified with the training department. So it's worth something.

I'll.call Envoy on Monday and report back.

Tuesday would probably be better. Labor day and all...

rswitz 09-01-2018 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2666596)
Tuesday would probably be better. Labor day and all...

Oh right. But I'm still on reserve lol

BigZ 09-01-2018 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by rswitz (Post 2666592)
My current airline recognizes my sic 135 time towards the 1000 minimum 121/135 to upgrade. This was verified with the training department. So it's worth something.

I'll.call Envoy on Monday and report back.

Good luck, but that would be odd.
The general idea is that the time where ATP is required is recognized towards the 1000 hrs needed for upgrade.
For example, cargo 135 pic doesn't count

dera 09-02-2018 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by rswitz (Post 2666592)
My current airline recognizes my sic 135 time towards the 1000 minimum 121/135 to upgrade. This was verified with the training department. So it's worth something.

I'll.call Envoy on Monday and report back.

Your training department is wrong.
121.436(a)(3):

" pilot in command in operations under § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter"

Has to be PIC time under 135 to count towards 121 upgrade.

tm602 09-03-2018 10:13 AM

So 620 PIC 121, 300 SIC 121, 2000 SIC 15/91K....soup or no soup on the bonus?

dera 09-03-2018 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by tm602 (Post 2667493)
So 620 PIC 121, 300 SIC 121, 2000 SIC 15/91K....soup or no soup on the bonus?

I think the limit was 950 hours of qualifying time, so you are 30 short?

tm602 09-03-2018 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2667553)
I think the limit was 950 hours of qualifying time, so you are 30 short?

I underguessed. Looking through the logs, 370 hrs 121 SIC and 620 hrs 121 PIC. I forgot that PIC IOE in there. Also have 2000 hrs 135 / 91K SIC including large jet (90,000 lbs) Int'l experience as SIC with PIC type rating.

dera 09-03-2018 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by tm602 (Post 2667751)
I underguessed. Looking through the logs, 370 hrs 121 SIC and 620 hrs 121 PIC. I forgot that PIC IOE in there. Also have 2000 hrs 135 / 91K SIC including large jet (90,000 lbs) Int'l experience as SIC with PIC type rating.

How could you upgrade into 121 PIC with just 370 hours of 121 time? Or is this time built years ago before the current 121 regs came to play, 2013 I think?

Your SIC time does not count towards 121 upgrade. 121.436 does not allow to use 135/91k SIC time, doesn't matter what you were flying.
But your 121 time should be enough I believe.

Ijustlikeflying 09-04-2018 03:56 AM

Are they still putting direct entry CAs right in the first classes they can or has that urgency slowed down?


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