October 8th Class
 

Does anyone know what the possible equipment drop will be for the October 8th class next month? First Officer position.

That information is not typically available before the class starts

The possibilities for FOs are:

DFW
E145
E175

ORD
CRJ
E145
E175

LGA
E145

MIA
E145

Set low standards. Expext to get the airplane and base that you would absolutely hate to get. When you show up to class and they show you the class drop youll be happier.

I was expecting to get something incredible and was gut punched with a bad class drop on 9/24.

Keep your mind open. You can always transfer back.
145 is in all bases.

Likely options are:
ORD 145
LGA 145
DFW 145

Well, that's what you get for expecting something incredible.

Well when the past 4 classes had it youd think it would keep going. Things change on a dime. Dont use the past class drops as a prediction of what youll get. Its luck of the draw.

DFW 145 has not been offered in 18-24 months. Don’t know the most junior pilot currently, but probably 3-9 months to get to DFW on the 145.

If you look at the last several months to last 18 months, just when you think there is a trend, they yank the rug out from under you.

https://youtu.be/AUM59Eh6vTwhttps://youtu.be/AUM59Eh6vTw

Selena Gomez is on a winning streak. How could she loose?

Do you think 3-9 months to get from ORD145 to DFW 145 is accurate?

3 months is probably dreaming, it’s not impossible but the planets would have to align to be back in DFW by the time you finish training (assuming a bid ran during your Indoc week).

Probably more like 6-12 months to get to dfw on the 145 as FO, by the time you take into account bid award and move date etc.

Yeah thats what I was thinking. How often do the bids run?

They have been fairly consistent every three months, beginning of the quarter. Next one closes sometime first week of October.

Awesome! Thanks. Hopefully i get access and learn how to use DECS before this bid closes.

Friend told me that this week's new hire class isn't eligible for this vacancy bid.. Check with another pilot. Heard it was an HI6 message or something

Intresting. Why wouldnt this weeks new hire class be eligible? Ill have to ask around

October 8th Class
 

Because we’re still in between vacancies. A standing vacancy has not been announced yet with the new vacancy. The new one has not even closed yet. Once it does and results are out, then standing bids are out out.

Then FO’s with 950hrs & DECs can have at the spoils / crumbs. That is basically how it works, until the following vacancy bid/announcement.

Nutshell is, DEC’s choices are in the Standing Vacancy offerings.

Ok. I'm probably missing something here, but being in the new hire class that started on 9/24...I've already been able to put in my Standing Bid Preference.
Its my understanding that the current bid is open now and closes sometime in the first week of October.

Because I have my bid pref. in already prior to it closing sometime Oct.,, wouldn't I be eligible to be awarded what I bid....provided I'm lucky obviously, or am I totally lost?

Not sure if this is the issue, but there are CA and FO vacancies on this bid.

It is possible that is part of the issue here. I’m not 100% sure, but as a new hire, probably for both seats, you can bid to change base. Certainly FOs can not change equipment and I THINK the DECs are stuck in equipment as well for the two year lock. I don’t see why both new hire CAs and FOs couldn’t change BASE only if there are openings and seniority allows it.

There were vacancies in both ORD and DFW on the 175 for FOs, so those on the 175 can move between base. There were the same number listed in both locations, so for those it is just a lateral and effectively for for the company a paper shuffle.

And either way, if the system allows you to put in a bid for something that you are not permitted, it will be ignored when the bid is run.

Yeah anyone out if training on new equipment has a seat lock.

Where did you find a list if all the vacancies?

The vacancies are listed in the very badly formatted HI6 messages they sent.

Curiously, both NCE and NFE are missing from the openings.

oh ok. not seeing those. must have deleted them, no clue how to get them back.

Hi16
https://sabreguide.weebly.com/sabre-guide.html

HI16/startdate/enddate

-Keep the dirty side down

21sep


to: All pilots
vacancy/displacement bid is open eff <21 sep 2018
*vacancies* *enter training no later than*
<20 dfw ca emj <30 mar 20
<40 ord ca emj <30 mar 20
<50 dfw ca e75 <30 mar 20
<15 dfw fo emj <30 mar 20
<30 ord fo emj <30 mar 20
<40 dfw fo e75 <30 mar 20
<40 ord fo e75 <30 mar 20
there may not be backfills. This bid will close at <1500ct on <06oct18 and is scheduled to be run on <09oct18. A preliminary award may follow.
Pilots entering training within 14 days of the actual run date will be subject to a training freeze and will not be awarded a vacancy.
Per cba section 15.j.2 and 3. Pilots with a retirement date before <13dec19 will be withheld from a bid status per cba section 15 g.6.a. A final award will be posted on <13oct18. Report any problems to your chief pilot. All bids are your responsibility and final on the bid closing date. Per letter 13-08 lga/jfk are considered co-domiciles. Please use lga as the base when bidding in the vacancy.

"Pilots entering training within 14 days of the actual run date will be subject to a training freeze and will not be awarded a vacancy."

Does this apply to FOs who were displaced to CA in a seat they wish to leave? And if so, does that mean they can bid for another position after they are DONE with training during the next vacancy bid?

When an FO is displaced to CA, are they displaced only into available vacancies, or can they displace any other CA junior to them into a seat they desire? i.e. this vacancy bid could cause a junior CA to be displaced by a forced upgrade FO? And then the whole process repeats down the line perpetually for many months and system bids?

Thank you!

Does this “training freeze” apply if you started training less than 14 days of the bid run and are bidding for a different base/same equip? Or is it for different base/different equip?

I wouldnt think a simple change of base and no change of equipment would incur a training freeze.

Different equip

I was in the September 24th class and we were able to bid. In fact 2/3 of the class was awarded base transfers, effective March 2. Everyone in the class who bid DFW/145 got it.