fenix1

What changes to flow agreements are foreseen/guessed for the next contract for ENV, PDT & PSA pilots? Is even more opportunity for WO management to meter flow due to ‘operational necessity’ likely?? Or will things go the other way & the flow become more accommodating to the WO’s pilot groups in order to suppress direct compensation without hurting recruiting at the WO’s??

As I understand it now (and please correct me if I’m full of horned bovine excrement...), only ENV pilots (rather than all 3 WO’s) have a provision that enables movement back to ENV from mainline if the industry goes belly up. Is it likely that the PSA & PDT pilot groups gain this same ability in their next contracts? Or will this likely remain unique to ENV for some reason?

I have zero agenda in asking these questions - I’m just trying to assess the real value of the flow as I continue to evaluate which regional I hope to fly for. I appreciate your thoughts here and thanks to those good enough to respond meaningfully.

PilotPete4You

ANY promise made in this industry 6+ years out is a speculation at best. There’s this group called “protected pilots” that are flowing now, so guess what that makes all of us that aren’t in the group?

Go to a bank and cash in these big promises you’re being told, see how that goes.

Flow should be your worst-case scenario, and just one piece of your career advancement strategy.

chrisreedrules

Given the number of mandatory retirements at AA (over 75% of the current seniority list by 2032) I doubt very seriously that they would waste any negotiating capital on flow-back agreements.

bigtime209

None of the 3 have this.

TheRaven

I think Piedmont has a clause that you can return if you fail out of training.....with your previous seniority/longevity.

bigtime209

They do. It's basically a short leave of abscence. I wanna say 90 days? Anything happens during that period you can go back to PDT. But I believe the guy was referring to a flow back kind of setup- i.e. if AA furloughs sometime down the line, there will be a CA seat waiting for you back at the WO.

fenix1

Yes, that’s what I was referring to. Eagle used to have flow back for sure and I’d been told previously (by an ENV CA) that ENV still did; are we sure none of the 3 do currently?

Big picture, things look great, but stuff will inevitably hit the fan at some point (nature of the beast) and it’s naive to pretend otherwise, right?

fenix1

Anything that hasn’t been officially announced & executed is speculation - it’s the airlines & business. Since APC largely exists to share speculation (not many official announcements from airlines here...), do YOU have any speculative thoughts as to whether contractual flow agreements will likely change to further restrict pilots from moving onto mainline (at WO’s discretion) or whether the flow will be sweetened on paper in lieu of keeping up with compensation?

fenix1

Pretty sure it’s already in place at ENV.

Jersdawg

It is not.

Filler.