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402FreightDog 10-16-2018 03:36 PM

145 Long Term
 
Would someone post or PM the training foot print for a 145 LT? Flow plan looks like about 9 weeks. Does that include IOE? Start just before Christmas. Any ideas what days are non training days? Just Christmas and New Year’s Day? 16 hours of per diem daily? Same hotel as NH and recurrent? Where are the sims, AA Academy?

TIA

Oates82 10-16-2018 04:20 PM

I started Jan 15 with indoc. I finished end of March with my check ride. Finished IOE mid April.

402FreightDog 10-16-2018 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2692421)
Would someone post or PM the training foot print for a 145 LT? Flow plan looks like about 9 weeks. Does that include IOE? Start just before Christmas. Any ideas what days are non training days? Just Christmas and New Year’s Day? 16 hours of per diem daily? Same hotel as NH and recurrent? Where are the sims, AA Academy?

TIA

Is there a period of home study for the CBTs?

Podrick 10-16-2018 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2692421)
Where are the sims, AA Academy?

TIA

2 at GSW, 1 at flightsafety DFW, and 2 now at HOU flightsafety.

HOU was fun, not sure if it still is since the hotel has supposedly changed.

Iflythe72 10-16-2018 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2692458)
Is there a period of home study for the CBTs?

Yes. I had a week and a half for CBT’s last winter

402FreightDog 10-16-2018 05:41 PM

Thanks for the info.

wiz5422 10-16-2018 07:17 PM

Non training days 24th,25th &26th followed by 31st, 1st & 2nd.

wiz5422 10-16-2018 07:18 PM

Per diem depends on base. If DFW base no per diem for CA upgrades believe 16 hours a day for new hires.

Houpilot2001 10-17-2018 02:15 AM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2692544)
Per diem depends on base. If DFW base no per diem for CA upgrades believe 16 hours a day for new hires.

Gotta love no per diem for us Dallas folk.

Cyio 10-17-2018 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2692608)
Gotta love no per diem for us Dallas folk.

Yeah the company really needs to change this policy as it effects the same people when it comes to getting a hotel room in base during long sits. If you are in base, you get nothing, regardless of whether you live on the other side of the country.

Just because you are based in DFW doesn't mean you live there.

CaptJackSparrow 10-17-2018 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2692615)
Yeah the company really needs to change this policy as it effects the same people when it comes to getting a hotel room in base during long sits. If you are in base, you get nothing, regardless of whether you live on the other side of the country.

Just because you are based in DFW doesn't mean you live there.

Couple years ago when I was DFW based and commuting they got me a hotel for my recurrents. I just had to call the training department and request a hotel. Not sure if they changed it or if it’s different for long term now.

Houpilot2001 10-17-2018 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by CaptJackSparrow (Post 2692684)
Couple years ago when I was DFW based and commuting they got me a hotel for my recurrents. I just had to call the training department and request a hotel. Not sure if they changed it or if it’s different for long term now.

That's the point, they will give you a hotel bit not per diem since your technically based here.

Dont get me wrong the hotel is nice but that's a lot of money you're leaving on the table with the missing perdiem.

RawHide 10-17-2018 06:47 AM

It’s 24 hours a day of Perdiem. Only new hires get the 16 hours.

Houpilot2001 10-17-2018 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by RawHide (Post 2692711)
It’s 24 hours a day of Perdiem. Only new hires get the 16 hours.

F*( |< me. That's even worse.maybe I'll base transfer to ord for training and then come back. Lol

SilentLurker 10-17-2018 08:02 AM

145 Long Term
 

Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2692754)
F*( |< me. That's even worse.maybe I'll base transfer to ord for training and then come back. Lol



Base transfers seems to be the movement I see many doing. Once the way around is figured out, the masses follow.

I saw a lot of DFW guys bid ORD, then base transfer after training back to DFW. Slight inconvenience but money should not be left on the table.

pitchattitude 10-17-2018 10:18 AM

Wow, so no per diem for DFW based. I guess one would have to base transfer BEFORE the upgrade bid to make that work?

How about the sims? I guess DFW guys try to get the HOU sims. How are sims assigned?

NoValueAviator 10-17-2018 01:25 PM

lmao

I wonder if they let those guys in training get 145 DFW specifically to screw them out of per diem.

It's pretty obvious they're dumping unwanted NH FO's on 145 ORD instead of LGA to avoid buying them 3 months of hotels, so it's not totally farfetched.

havick206 10-17-2018 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2693005)
lmao

I wonder if they let those guys in training get 145 DFW specifically to screw them out of per diem.

It's pretty obvious they're dumping unwanted NH FO's on 145 ORD instead of LGA to avoid buying them 3 months of hotels, so it's not totally farfetched.

Did you look at the line projections from RW’s email?

LGA is decreasing lines and ORD and DFW increasing lines on the 145.

Company is almost entirely focused on keeping schedule integrity, as such it’s obvious they are frontloading new hires based off line projections and info from AA flight file.

Cyio 10-18-2018 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2693053)
Did you look at the line projections from RW’s email?

LGA is decreasing lines and ORD and DFW increasing lines on the 145.

Company is almost entirely focused on keeping schedule integrity, as such it’s obvious they are frontloading new hires based off line projections and info from AA flight file.

Yeah this is clearly the reason for the 145 ORD moves. They want to keep schedule integrity up so we can keep getting more and more flying from AA.

havick206 10-18-2018 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2693426)
Yeah this is clearly the reason for the 145 ORD moves. They want to keep schedule integrity up so we can keep getting more and more flying from AA.

I just wonder if PDT will be able to take more airframes. They’re struggling to staff the ones they currently have. I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes them much longer to accept more aircraft off us as we take the TSA planes back.

AA isn’t going to send airframes somewhere to just sit around idle. I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up doing a bunch of the extra flying for a while longer until PDT catches up.

E175 Driver 10-18-2018 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2692421)
Would someone post or PM the training foot print for a 145 LT? Flow plan looks like about 9 weeks. Does that include IOE? Start just before Christmas. Any ideas what days are non training days? Just Christmas and New Year’s Day? 16 hours of per diem daily? Same hotel as NH and recurrent? Where are the sims, AA Academy?

TIA

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