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Old 01-10-2019, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RomeoBravo View Post
Your point is valid however, that’s okay too right. Being rock bottom, living in base, flying the airplane he/she desires and on the seniority list is not the worst that can happen.


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Very true, assuming they are OK with the bottom and understand what they got themselves into. It doesn't effect me in the least, just that for me, being stuck at the bottom is not the place I want to be.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
You are right. Very few understand the process. Because preferencing DOES increase your odds of getting what you want.

There were those that could have gotten what the wanted had they preferenced but did not because they only had displacements listed.

And if you aren’t changing equipment, you aren’t eligible for the 5 hour override. If NOBODY preferenced it would work. As much as I, too, don’t think anyone should preference, all those guys in the 175 who HAVE to stay in the the 175 are doing the right thing (for them) with a preference.
This post is completely wrong.

If you are displaced into the CA seat and your displacement preferences are set properly then you get what you can hold.

You also do not need to change equipment to get the 5 hour override. All you have to do is be displaced to a CA seat and then send an e-mail electing to voluntarily be seat locked for 2 years(this does not effect flow).

As long as people are being forced to upgrade it is dumb not to do this.
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Old 01-10-2019, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
Very few understand the process. Because preferencing DOES increase your odds of getting what you want.
So long as there are displacements of all eligible FOs, it does not increase your odds. Read the contract section about simultaneous vacancy and displacement. When it tells you to reference the section on displacements, and you actually go back and read, you will understand that a displaced pilot will be able to displace to what he can hold regardless of preference bids below him/her.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:09 AM
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Announced today. AAG wants to expedite the transfer of the crjs out of our fleet due to the high cost of operating a fleet of only 13 aircraft. They will be gone by the end of 2019, allowing us to focus on the delivery of the new 175s. Good news for all I would say.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mketch11 View Post
So long as there are displacements of all eligible FOs, it does not increase your odds. Read the contract section about simultaneous vacancy and displacement. When it tells you to reference the section on displacements, and you actually go back and read, you will understand that a displaced pilot will be able to displace to what he can hold regardless of preference bids below him/her.
I can tell you first hand that the union has confirmed the bid was run correctly and there were those with displacements and proffers for displacement that did not get what their seniority would hold because all open vacancies were preferenced for.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
You are right. Very few understand the process. Because preferencing DOES increase your odds of getting what you want.

There were those that could have gotten what the wanted had they preferenced but did not because they only had displacements listed.

And if you aren’t changing equipment, you aren’t eligible for the 5 hour override. If NOBODY preferenced it would work. As much as I, too, don’t think anyone should preference, all those guys in the 175 who HAVE to stay in the the 175 are doing the right thing (for them) with a preference.
So I waited to post until I had double checked things and this post is wrong. In regards to preference bidding vs displacement, so long as they are forcing upgrades there is no advantage to preference bidding it, as it will all come down to what you can hold anyway.

If you could have won the award in a preference, you could have won the award with a displacement as well. So in reality, it really doesn't matter, except that by preference bidding you lose out on the override pay. This of course would all change if the company stops force upgrades, but as of now, they haven't.

In regards to the override pay, I have asked around and the company is awarding the override pay to FO's, regardless of equipment change or not. Let's hope that continues.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
I can tell you first hand that the union has confirmed the bid was run correctly and there were those with displacements and proffers for displacement that did not get what their seniority would hold because all open vacancies were preferenced for.
My only answer to this then is that they either couldn't have held it with their seniority in the preference bid and/or their displacements were setup incorrectly.

If you can explain the process differently, please do, I would love to understand it in more depth as you clearly see it differently than I do. This is not meant to be sarcastic either, re-reading it the tone could have been misunderstood.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:55 AM
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My only answer to this then is that they either couldn't have held it with their seniority in the preference bid and/or their displacements were setup incorrectly.

If you can explain the process differently, please do, I would love to understand it in more depth as you clearly see it differently than I do. This is not meant to be sarcastic either, re-reading it the tone could have been misunderstood.
Without giving specifics of names, positions, etc, that are specifically identifiable, it is not possible.

I will say DCL is still a highly coveted position.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:58 AM
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Just reading some of these replies, I think some people are talking about proffer to displace and others are talking about displace. If you proffer to displace, the company does not displace junior pilots. So if you want DFW 175 but have a proffer to displace DFW 175 followed by DFW 145, you could be awarded DFW 145 if no open DFW 175 spots were open. Then, when they ran the displacements AFTER that, you would not be displaced again since you are already captain at that point, and therefor would not be displacing junior pilots.

Remember
1) Vacancy bid is run first
2) Proffer to displace is run next
3) Displace is run last

Proffer to displace and Displace are treated very different during the bid run. AND, if you leave your 3P blank, do not Proffer to Displace, and the company displaces all qualified FOs as they have been doing, you WILL get what your seniority will hold if you have your 3D set correctly.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
You are right. Very few understand the process. Because preferencing DOES increase your odds of getting what you want.

There were those that could have gotten what the wanted had they preferenced but did not because they only had displacements listed.

And if you aren’t changing equipment, you aren’t eligible for the 5 hour override. If NOBODY preferenced it would work. As much as I, too, don’t think anyone should preference, all those guys in the 175 who HAVE to stay in the the 175 are doing the right thing (for them) with a preference.
Wrong. Any FO displaced to any CA is eligible.
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