Cyio

It’s an easy solution if it does dry up. Once it does they will simply give us the pay rates to match our competitors and people will come back.

highfarfast

Oh, do tell. I’m not saying you’re wrong but, if true, this would be the first bid in over a year where there were eligible FOs that were not forced to upgrade.

IF that did happen, that implies there were some that had an empty 3P (at least as regards to captain) that didn’t proffer to displace, and were fairly senior since they weren’t displaced and there were MANY that were.

This is important info really. If there were FOs that were forcefully upgraded that were senior to those NOT upgraded, the union needs to know.

Naviator

Don’t want to throw out any names, but we can all do the math. Anyone with a seniority list, the upgrade list, and FOS access can find FOs with more than 1000 hours company time that did not upgrade. And, yes, they are all senior to the highest seniority DISP/NEB. I’m guessing that means empty 3P and empty 3D.

Cyio

The vacancy isn’t over yet is it? Perhaps they are working on these individuals right now. Hopefully not sending to LGA.

highfarfast

I don’t know how to look up other’s flight experience. So please show me how. I do know there are others senior to me with less time though.

griff312

I'm not 100% sure on this, but I do know that displacements go from bottom up. So if the company ran all of the preference bids, and had vacancies left over to fill; they would start displacing eligible FO's from the bottom of the seniority list up. Those eligible FO's that didn't get displaced to CA likely didn't have anything in thier 3P & 3D, and were senior enough to dodge the displacement.

BigZ

7V/123456

Filler

ENH017

I'm very surprised I've never seen this one before, very useful these days with the forced upgrades and such.

boiler07

You were correct until the end there. IF someone lucked out, it wasn't because they had a blank 3D. It'd be because the company had more upgrade-able FOs than they did open CA vacancies. They filled all the vacancies so there was no need to keep displacing.

KodiakRS

7V only shows flight time for the last year. Many of the first officers who weren't displaced have very low annual flight time. A pilot hired in 2014 that only flies a few hundred hours a year due to union work, mil leave, medical ect. could still be below the 950 hour mark.

Also, there are a number of first officers senior to the most senior FO displaced to CA on this bid that were previously awarded/displaced into CA slots but have not gone to training yet.

Finally, with the standing vacancy there's a chance that the company is intentionally leaving CA slots unfilled. As an example let's say 100 CA slots for a position are posted in a bid. The company wants at least 80. Only 50 people bid for it so the company displaces another 30 to get their 80 and leaves 20 for the standing vacancy. I have no idea if this is contractually legal or not but if the company is doing this it would at least be nice of them to let us know what the minimum number they're looking for is.