Envoy 2019
08-12-2019, 05:21 PM
#1641
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: ERJ Right
Posts: 541
There is one now Captain that is causing all sorts of problems and I knew of people having problems with him when he was a new hire. I wish someone had paid attention to his probie reports as we are now stuck with that problem child.
-Keep the dirty side down
-Keep the dirty side down
08-13-2019, 02:52 AM
#1643
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Position: 787
Posts: 454
I don’t know how prevalent this is, but I have started seeing reserves that finish in the AM, being ‘turned back’ into 10 hours mid-day rest and starting a late PM RAP. Talk about a circadian swap.
I know it’s contractually legal, but frustrating for those of us who prefer either AM or PM flying.
I know it’s contractually legal, but frustrating for those of us who prefer either AM or PM flying.
08-13-2019, 03:55 AM
#1644
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,707
Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA
There is one now Captain that is causing all sorts of problems and I knew of people having problems with him when he was a new hire. I wish someone had paid attention to his probie reports as we are now stuck with that problem child.
-Keep the dirty side down
-Keep the dirty side down
Dont worry he will be aa's problem soon enough. Maybe they care about probation reports over there.
08-13-2019, 05:10 AM
#1645
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,656
Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
I don’t know how prevalent this is, but I have started seeing reserves that finish in the AM, being ‘turned back’ into 10 hours mid-day rest and starting a late PM RAP. Talk about a circadian swap.
I know it’s contractually legal, but frustrating for those of us who prefer either AM or PM flying.
I know it’s contractually legal, but frustrating for those of us who prefer either AM or PM flying.
I just love it. Get up early after a full night rest, get to base and get released into rest, then come back ten hours later to work again. Keep in mind you are rested and most likely caffeinated and will in no way shape or form be able to get sleep.
Oh well, who needs safety after all. I wish more people called in fatigued to these as in reality anyone that flies this trip would certainly be tired when they had to go.
08-13-2019, 05:19 AM
#1646
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
Two reserve shifts in one day sounds very fatiguing for a commuter. I’m sure ED and the rest of the FRMP committee would agree. I can’t imagine a situation where I’d get called out during the second shift and be fit for duty. A possible exception would be if they provided a hotel but even then it would be pretty sketchy imo.
08-13-2019, 05:34 AM
#1647
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,465
Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
I don’t know how prevalent this is, but I have started seeing reserves that finish in the AM, being ‘turned back’ into 10 hours mid-day rest and starting a late PM RAP. Talk about a circadian swap.
I know it’s contractually legal, but frustrating for those of us who prefer either AM or PM flying.
I know it’s contractually legal, but frustrating for those of us who prefer either AM or PM flying.
Originally Posted by Cyio
It’s not very common and like you said, despite the proven science of sleep, is still legal. This time of year they are especially prone to using it.
I just love it. Get up early after a full night rest, get to base and get released into rest, then come back ten hours later to work again. Keep in mind you are rested and most likely caffeinated and will in no way shape or form be able to get sleep.
Oh well, who needs safety after all. I wish more people called in fatigued to these as in reality anyone that flies this trip would certainly be tired when they had to go.
I just love it. Get up early after a full night rest, get to base and get released into rest, then come back ten hours later to work again. Keep in mind you are rested and most likely caffeinated and will in no way shape or form be able to get sleep.
Oh well, who needs safety after all. I wish more people called in fatigued to these as in reality anyone that flies this trip would certainly be tired when they had to go.
It may be FAA legal. It may be contractually legal. But it’s not safe.
08-13-2019, 05:41 AM
#1648
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: Resigned
Posts: 1,547
Originally Posted by highfarfast
This really needs to be fatigued every time they do this. Wait until the beginning of the second shift to call fatigued.
It may be FAA legal. It may be contractually legal. But it’s not safe.
It may be FAA legal. It may be contractually legal. But it’s not safe.
We should be consistent about drawing the line as close as possible to when things become unsafe so CS figures it out and stops subjecting pax to unnecessary danger because scared probies (their fear is MORE THAN justified btw) accept the assignments.
08-13-2019, 05:44 AM
#1649
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,465
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
I wouldn’t fatigue at the beginning of the shift, I’d fatigue when called out and you are unfit for duty, unless you’re too exhausted to call them back when they buzz your phone or something.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
