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Old 08-15-2019, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi View Post
FYI, years ago, one used to receive quarterly HI6 messages while on probation requesting one to visit the CPO. Apparently, this stopped for a few years, and at least one CPO is starting to do it again.

It’s really not a big deal at all.
No it’s not a big deal but that’s not the point is it?
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:37 AM
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Do as you please. It's your job you decide just keep the fn whinning to the confines of your head.
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue View Post
I don’t know how prevalent this is, but I have started seeing reserves that finish in the AM, being ‘turned back’ into 10 hours mid-day rest and starting a late PM RAP. Talk about a circadian swap.

I know it’s contractually legal, but frustrating for those of us who prefer either AM or PM flying.
Sounds fatiguing
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:00 AM
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Yeah this isn’t in our contract anywhere that known of so not sure how they can enforce this. I for sure didn’t check in anywhere.
Neither was CAT II FCC’s....
Or preassigned RAP...

They do what they want and say fly it and grieve it. If they win 50% of the arbitrations then they’re getting contract improvements for management without giving the pilots anything.
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Old 08-15-2019, 09:22 AM
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Sounds fatiguing
Would CS award a 6a stby proffer...therefor releasing you from the 1900 rap once you confirm the standby at 1700.

Reps did not know if CS would award the proffer, even if you had the seniority to be awarded it.
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Old 08-15-2019, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue View Post
Would CS award a 6a stby proffer...therefor releasing you from the 1900 rap once you confirm the standby at 1700.

Reps did not know if CS would award the proffer, even if you had the seniority to be awarded it.
I really don’t have the answer as to whether they HAVE to give it to you for your seniority. However, in my brief time on reserve, I was given a next day standby/flight assignment pretty frequently without regard to the current day’s RAP. I got the impression the next day desk didn’t look at current day assignments, just legality. The daily desk didn’t seem to appreciate it much when they tried to call me and I didn’t answer though. YMMV.
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Old 08-15-2019, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue View Post
Would CS award a 6a stby proffer...therefor releasing you from the 1900 rap once you confirm the standby at 1700.

Reps did not know if CS would award the proffer, even if you had the seniority to be awarded it.
In the past yes (pre 2016), but what they currently would do? couldn’t tell you.

The reserve rules are so loose and so conflicted that they essentially can do as they please... which is why they aren’t in any hurry to fix it. They’ve been “working to fix it” or promising to fix it since 2012. Yet the MEC staffing bandaids continued to flow.

Herb & Juan had probably the best rewrite thus far done. When it was posted for 10 days the pilots found every loophole the company had left themselves, and then the company refused to clear up the language closing the loopholes. That LOA, loopholes and all, was still way better than what we had, but on the cusp of a pilot shortage it wasn’t good enough. Now, with bandaids flowing freely, it’s doubtful the next rewrite will be as good.

I’d pull that one out, dust it off, close the loopholes and send it to the company as a last best final offer, and no new deals until it’s signed.
Then stick to it.
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Old 08-15-2019, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue View Post
I don’t know how prevalent this is, but I have started seeing reserves that finish in the AM, being ‘turned back’ into 10 hours mid-day rest and starting a late PM RAP. Talk about a circadian swap.

I know it’s contractually legal, but frustrating for those of us who prefer either AM or PM flying.

Get use to it, AA does the same thing quite often. They just build their lines (red eyes) like this.
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Old 08-15-2019, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue View Post
Would CS award a 6a stby proffer...therefor releasing you from the 1900 rap once you confirm the standby at 1700.

Reps did not know if CS would award the proffer, even if you had the seniority to be awarded it.
I have had this assigned many times.
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Old 08-15-2019, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wiz5422 View Post
Get use to it, AA does the same thing quite often. They just build their lines (red eyes) like this.
Hmmm... I haven't spent any time at AA but it appears to me that you're talking about a built line and we're talking about reserve callout. Two different issues.
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